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DN- The first question would be... can you tell me about the first time you tried to cook something. Either... You can pick something, it does not matter for me, if it was a time where you tried and failed or if it was the first time you tried and it was perfect. M- You mean not to cook in general, cook some food, to try... OK DN- Yeah, just, just, the first time you tried. M- Well.... DN- Or one time you particularly remember because it was interesting. M- Ehm.... (mehrmals) DN- Shall I give a little example of myself? M- Yes, please. DN- Ok, I once tried to boil potatoes. M- Yes. DN- They were ready, I really just had to boil them. M- Yes. DN- I turned the heater on and well, left the kitchen, well I though just for a few minutes and when I returned all the water *cooking with mom was gone and the potatoes were black. -fun, because M. had to do only the funny things, how does it M- (smile) ah, well I can easily imagine. Yes, sonna (?) things affect M.'s cooking later. happens to me also, well... I loved cooking before I live alone, but it was like otetsudai, just, just help my mom. So I started *cann cooking together be cooking by myself, completely by myself, the dishes by myself, understood as passing on when I started to live alone in university, so it was like 18 or 19 tradition? years old. And so... To help my mother is very intre... funny. I yes, it can, M. don't have to do all the things, just the interesting and funny and wants to cook with ... the most good part and last preparation or pealing the skin of her children too. the potatoes such kind of things DN- the mendkusai ?

M- so, yeah, the mendkusai things. My mother would take care of it. So for me its nice and so now I had to do it all by myself and I was so lazy and feary(?) like to do every... do everything. First I did it because I was motivated but .... yeah it really tooks time and I did not want to do it everyday, everyday. I wanted to study and play and play sports and everything

first cooking experience sheltered, just the funny things => when cooking alone, wants to skip the mendkusai, DN- and play cooking every day, optically pleasing aspect of food M- one moths later ... I .... my menu became very simplified... preparation My carrot is with skin, the skin's not removed I get used to cook only when cooking for 4... dishes for 4 days. So I every time make dishes for 4 for herself, for her people and pack it to .... future family, she wants to cook DN- in the boxes differently M- yeah! that's right and so ahm.. so it's not a failure or some problem but it became simple and simple and ingredient is almost every time the same. like potato, cabbage, carrot and meat. sooo DN- no rice? M- un? DN- no rice? M- I mean one dish, of course my main dish rice. DN- Ah, ok. M- Well, so what I wanted to say is, in heart I was motivated to I want to try many many cuisines, like cuisines, not just food but it (?) became simplified and yeah end up in I only must(?) food, no name.... just something DN- And the first time you tried, what did you pick? M- What? DN- The first time you tried, you know, when you still were motivated to do something special, what did you pick. M- Oh..oh? DN- What did you choose, when you tried first cooking alone? M- Oh! (emphasis, understood my question at last) said because it is expected? could not be confirmed

will to experiment but in the end cooking wants to try "something" ingredients not new recipes

would use mom's recipes to reproduce the taste, does not search actively for recipes

DN- Don`t remember M- I don`t remember. Well.... I think.... Nikujaga or something. DN- Some Japanese meal M- Yeah, Japanese meal, very typical everything, every time my mom, everyday my mom did something... (?) yeah, such kind of thing. (DN- uhm (agreeing)) It is not that special like French or Italy or that much, but, well yeah very .... every day meal. DN- Was it your mom`s recipe? Tell me more about it, I am interested M- Well... It`s like potato and carrot and ... sweet ..a! onion, meat with soy-sauce and Japanese buyon(?) like from dried fishies well this is not the main dish, it`s like side dish (DNuhm) .... and.. .. yeah, my mom always cooked very balanced da-dishes like main mea[l]... main dish was meat and fish and such kind kind of nikujaga or... yeah. the vegetable thing and cold vegetable thing, like three or four dishes every meal, yeah but I feel really active(?), I was lazy, so it was all combined it one (DN lacht) container, one box, (DN uhn) that`s my result. DN- if it tastes nice, why not? M- We... Yeah, I am sure, it was balanced diet, but just it is only ...one dish, that`s only the problem. DN- You... you tried to focus on the nutrition, so that it tastes good, but it does not have to look as gorgeous as mom`s. M- Yeah, that`s right, and the point is I don`t have to do all the dishes. (DN hahaha) That`s the point (in a smaller voice) And usually the kitchen in Tokyo is really small, well, one heater and the sink is like 30(c)m or.. (?) very narrow. All kitchen is like this,so it is difficult to manage all the dishes every day. DN- how could you help your mom with...? M- I mean in my hometown, it was big, but I live, I live, I moved to Tokyo and lived alone so my kitchen was very small. My sink,and heater, and.. DN- And fridge? M- (break to think) well fridge is, fridge does not fit into my

first dish named cooked often by mom, simple, easy to do. starts with known everyday dishes, easy recipes,no comment on taste or if farite food

what does balanced stand for? mom's food? vegetables and meat? balanced nutrition? probably mom's cooking

because of the kitchen size is cooking difficult what does it mean for the cooking together? cooking together =tradition, form of pasing on knowledge wants to do it too, no comment on kitchen size, but first has to have the skill

kitchen so it was in my living room (DN hahaha) but it`s not problem, because kitchen and living room is in same room. You can imagine hous..... DN- dining living kitchen? M- dining, living, sch... schlafzimm... schlafzimmer... sleeping room...? Bedroom! DN- bedroom. yeah M- kitchen, everything is in one room, like, I thing it is like this (points the size of her room) DN- okey (both laugh) M -all in one room, so it`s not a problem that the refrigerator is in wohnz...er... the.. dining room? ahaha I don`t know, dining or living room DN- THE room. M- THE room, that`s right, exactly DN- e. aaand... (thinking about the next question) you also tried cooking for somebody else? You know... Like... M- Ehehehe, I know what you want to say. Um (thinking) yes. Ehm... Fortunately or unfortunately my good... my best attempt was not for my boyfriend, for my father. I think, well it`s a little bit complicated, I moved to Tokyo and started to live alone, two years later my parents moved to Tokyo so now, weeee came to live together again. DN- so you moved out from your small room and back together with your parents M- Yeah, that`s right. We moved to bigger room and in Tokyo again. And at that time well... my father first/fast moved and my mother staying (back? interrupted by chopping in background) in my hometown and came to Tokyo later, because she had.. my sister (noise) hometown, my mother had to wait until she finishes her study, so for a while... only two weeks or so I lived with ... my father. Of course, he cannot cook at all (DN hahaha) DN- he is a real man
cooking for somebody else usually the boyfriend? not verified cooking for the father: fortunate=> not boyfriend unfortunate=> cannot dissapoint him cooking skills
important for father-dauther relationship

M- yeah, real man, old Japanese man. So I cooked for him. cooking tradition not But... you know If I cook as usual, he realize, that I ... I'm... not passed on through a good cook. He will be disappointed. So.... a gomen "old Japanese man", passed on by the M- daijbu, daijbu (someone probably hit something) mother? cooking with males not DN- hai, dzo mentioned, so skills probably passed on as a M- eh do ... (not clearly audible)mash... Yeah, yeah so I female trade wanted to show him, how good (stressed, laughing) how good I can.. I can cook sooo I bought a cooking book for the first time (DN laughes) and I made him ... er... Chinese something... with... er. well... I didn't have so much seasoning like, soy-sauce so I bought some new sauce and... made him a sudata(?) it's a Chinese.. dish I little bit complicated that I used to cook.. cooked. And I tried i..tha... it and also some sau... side dishes. And it looks like a dinner(stressed) DN- Like a real nice dinner M- That's right, not just food (both laughing) Yeah, I think that is the one, I really succeeded. DN- So he was happy, that you cooked so well...? M- I think so (different intonation than usual) I send that foto to my mom too, of course. and she said: Oh, how good you can cook, I didn't know that. So at least it was successful.. meal DN- You ... you choosed the dish, ehr, dish, e... because it was your favorite or was it just something random from the book. good cook, because the food was optically apealing. dinner successful, important within the familynot mentioned if the optical value tasty of food

M- Something random, because it does not need sooo special food chosen, because ingredient, but it looks like, it looks gorgeous! optically pleasing DN- Aaaa! [I see] M- All I need to buy was just sauce aaand powder. (DN Un) powder... e some kind of powder. So most of the things was already in refrigerator, (DN aaaa) so I did have to buy so much. DN- Did you cook for your dad then every day (M nononoo) or just those two weeks or just that one time? M- that one time. the next day I think I made something different, but... aaanddd.... well that, at that time I was in holiday, so I had no classes (DN aaa I see) so I had time, but after she sta.., he started to working and I also had class..es so for a while he ate out and came back so (DN um) maybe it

didn't last long, I forgot exact..ly, but I don't know exactly but I think a few days. (DN aaa) I made somethink different, DN- so funny erh... eh. hm..... Erh... Did I get it right, that you are still in university but just for the semester here, like a rygakusei? M- I am an exchange student. (DN Un) I finished my bachelor last su.. last March, I mean last moth. And.... well I submitted my bachelor thesis at February sooo.. Basically the March was a holiday, summer vacation. (DN un) but I er I already finished my studies so I came here and s-started master course this March DN- Ar! That's.. here in Vienna? M- Yeah, but I am a student in my home university so this is the first year of my master study, one, before one year and after that I come back to Tokyo and continue my study for one year and that`s. and complete finish my co-master course. (DN aaaar) DN- sooou, so, mm, you're not really long here in Austria. M- Well at this time- this time one year, but after that I don't know. DN- aaar, but, a, you came in March, yes? M- yes. DN- Ok, so you are probably not homesick... now. M- not.. DN- not yet. M- I don't think I will be. DN- Won't you miss your mom's cooking or so? M- I don't want to admit, but somehow, yes. DN- What did you miss? M- Riceball. DN- A riceball?

missing not mom's cooking M- Rmmm, not exactly my mom's cooking, but yeah, riceball, but a ricebal, so homefood something you eat everyday

'cause I haven't ... eaten rice for a while, and usually normally I don't have strong passion for rice, but you know, it's the something we eat everyday (yeah) soooo... welllll.... somehooowwww, somehow, somethi-sometimes I want to eat rice-riceball DN(break) DN- aaaand er did you change your style of cooking when her(loud noise in HG), while here in Austria? I noticed, that you probably won't cook rice everyday. M- hmmm.....no-well I think, yeah, I change it, but somehow I rice everyday didn't change it. What changed is my main food-main dish I pressent, but if even though rice is don't eat rice, and instead of rice I eat ... bread, or sometimes possible M. no...carboonnn.. nan-nanto- noo..nan-just like western way, just choses bread not prefered by M. it is common enough eat vegetables and something and no... for her to miss it=> DN- no carbon diet? home(tradition) is everyday food not M- no carbon diet, yeah, yeah! (meant to carbohydrate diet) favorite DN- A! OK, I understand. M- So it is totally different from what I did and what I used to do in Japan (? noise) but, the.. something that didn't change is ... the way of cooking(laughing), (ahahaha) because in really Japan I didn't cook some real Japan-[ese] (waitress comes and distrubs in midsentence, we pay) M- eeto, nan sore de nanto (not audible, mumbling in Japanese) I was not cooke- I didn't cook like fried ... Yakizakana... DN- Fried fish? M- Yeah, fried f- salmon or miso soup oooor such kind of rich traditionaaal Japanese Essen. (smiles) Japanese food. I didn't I yeah, when I was in Japan I was-I didn't stick to such kind of Japanese (stressed) style, so (longer break) just I told you, that big something... all included (smile) (DN uhm) so... maybe the main food is-main dish is not changed, DN- er- ... but... M- perhaps the seasoning is different, but the ingredient is all the same.
food eaten inJapan not necessary Japanese wants to experiment? try something new
experimenting her own way, with ingredients not new recipes

(laughed)

yeah,

somehow

understand.

DN- and if you could (stressed) buy all the stuff in the world, (break) would you try something traditionally Japanese or... M- No. DN- No? M- I will try something .. different, I mean yeah. something changed I- I'm challenging (DN uhn) different kind of ... er vegetables, which I don't know, like .... I forgot the name... (thinking) the root of the Sellerie DN- the Sellerie? M- not Sellerie, the root of the Sellerie. DN- I think that is also called Sellerie. M- yeah, yeah, yeah. The bore Sellerie, I don't know. Or thee Ehr... Kel KohDN- Kohl? M- Kohl...I mean DN- Blumenkohl? M- Eh? DN- Kohl? Blumenkohl? OrM- The friend of ... cabbage DN- Erh- Kohl. M- Kohl, core(?) DN- I have no idea how that is called in English. (probably interrupted M in mid-sentence) M- It's cole I think cale or kohl and or the- some vegetables from ... Gemsesuppe, Suppgemse, Gemsesupp- the white carrot, or yellow carrot DN- Ah! I think ... one of those is er- .. is Pettersilie ... in German MWhat? if open possibilities, would experiment with unknown ingredients

DN- P-petersilie (slowly clearly) M- Yeah, that's right. I think. I'm interested in such kind of unknown vegetables, I am trying.... so... if I can buyyy er... any kind of f-food ingredients .. in the world I think I would different thing, unknown.. exotic ingredients (DN uM- hm) DN- but the er.. wa- is this a recent change? where you have access also to different things, or would you have done the same also in Japan? M- Also in Japan (DN un-hm) I think I am very outgoing and ... very-... DN- where do you have your recipes? M- where? DN- where do you have your recipes from? The ideas, what you recipes from where? experimenting with cook. ingredients or M- well I change just ingredients (both laughing, M continuing seasoning with a smile) anyway or in good on- dish. (DN un-hm) It's-it's very simple like just hot everything, put it in a pan and cook with salt or basic seasoning, ketchup (DN un-uhm), soy sauce (DN un-hm) something. So- it cannot be very awesome something, it's not very horrible something, hwell, it always be something-something so-so, so ... and it is balanced. That's food nothing concrete, but something I every time trys, I change meat from.. fro- to- eh the described as "balanced" kind of meat. Or change to ... hhmmmm because imitating mom's? DN- Some vegetables? M- Yeah, of course I change vegetables and sometimes I try to liver- th- change the meat- to liver or... sausage or.... hm... (not audible who speaks, if it's background noise) part of the meat cows- or yeah, something- stomach - I love stomach! DN- Stomach? M- like stomach, like very chewy something stomach, or pig(?) or chicken DN- OK, I didn't know you can-you can eat stomach from pigs. I know chickens, my brodel-brother lo-loves those - I kinda leave it to him. M- That's my favorite thing. Yeah. (not very loudly said,

since M. is imitating homecooking, and mom's cooking is balanced=> probably yes.

continuing louder) I just change the ingredient and.. a little bit experimenting, of seasoning, but I have no idea how cannot be. Can it be, but - but with a I know that it cannot be very awful something. certainity, it will be edible, no DN- So-so you want try experimenting with cookons(not extreme clearly audible) or-or so. experiments Mnojust ingresision (not clearly audible)

DN- Do you know, erm...hmm... there is some youtube shows on cooking M- what? DN- YOU-TU-BE (M un-u) shows (M unn) ...like-like there is one Japanese lady and she explains how to cook different Japanese dishes-- in English aaand she cooks with her dog, Francis, sitting next to her and watching (M laughing in background) it's really sweet and they have ... awesome ideas like-like how to make custard pudding really easily explained (M ooo) and so-so. You never tried this? M- a... The youtube? DN- yeah! M- Well I didn't know that, but that's such kind of TV show is very popular.... DN- Well it's not- it's not really a TV show M- I mean-I mean (DN not audible ... understand) such kind of thing is always on board- on-on- on TV in Japanese- I don't know whether it is usually in other countries that cooking show in TV DN- To be honest I usually don't watch them, so I aM- am not familiar, how is it in Japan? M- It is very popular, er-- especially in- (DN un) but I don't know how many peoples are using it, DN- so you didn't try? M- I didn't try it, because I have to take memo and er- it's... the first at that time I'm not in home, second, I have to take note and always it's very fast, third, the cooking is not so special, and forth, -this is big reason- I can take it from the Internet. So I haven't use it.
cooking shows not a source of inspiration, because you have to take notes, and it is all on the internet

experimenting within the borders of known recipes

DN- Aaand, did your mom give you recipes, when you started recipes not to live alone or. passed on in written form M- She bought me a book. (DN laughing) one book, teaching by doing, DN- did you use it? passive way of M- it is sleeping in my Schrank (DN laughing) schrank-shelf learning DN- yeah. M- Bookshelf. yeah. (break to think) But I love er- see, watching, ercooking book. It is interessting. DN- It looks nice, doesn't it? M- Yeah, it looks like. And ah! I can do it like this, and this is a very easy was to do it and this is a good idea but, I never tried, because I have to prepare ingredients (DN un), yeah I never tried it before, ... until my father came DN- uhm, and you bought a different cooking book for your dad M- no, ... I have, I just picked it from ... my.. from my er. under the many many books, so I don't remember exactly, but anyway that is the first time I use a cooking book. DN- First and last or-..? M- I hope first (DN laughing) but you know, mom. mother'smother doesn't always use cooking book, she has everything DN- in her mind M- yeah, mind DN- she doesn't have a notebook with recipes? my mom does M- she has, yeah but- she doesn't use so much, always doesn't and also she doesn't use measure or cups, I think it is a worldwide phenomenon (DN laughing) DN- and would you try to do, if you had it , if you had her cooking book? M- I will I think DN- j-just to feel this,wow that's my moms cooking or because

would use mom's cooking notebook, but probably didn't ask for it. would like mom's recipes, but does not ask for it,mom does not provide them herself

it's new recipes to try?

loves mom's cooking, would M- I think the former, mom- I love my mom's cooking. it is nice (break), er nante, it's not just because it- she is my mom, want to carry on but also because it is really good. (DN Un) So well, if I can with it would imitate mom's taste because of the have a chance I will try it, (Un) nostalgic value DN- hjm...... and..... if er. some friend here in Austria would ask you to-to try and cook something, for them. what would you try? You know, it is not your dad, you don't have to impress him, it's just some friends? What would it be? M- my Asian friend ask me to cook. (dn un) DN- she is not from Japan? No-no in general -I mean-Friend here in Austria try, ask you to cook for them or with you M- I think, I will do, well I did, hm... a kind of nikujaga, just I told you, it is very popular, to bake-- it is not boiled DN- fried? M- not boiDN- grilled? M- no, it's kind of boiled with less water and DN- steamed? M- yeah, somehow, DN- something between cooked and steamed (yeah, yeah, yeah) M- less water- yea- yeaaah- hm....zupta(?) or er vegetables and meat or what ever -- in the refrigerator and add some soy sauce, with cream(?) it's a very traditional way, uhm. the ingredients not specified, everything, anything is ok, ... just imagine the curry rice, do you know curry in Japanese style? would want to present DN- Yes, I know, I didn't try, but I had people explain me how it traditional food looks and what it is to foreign friends, not M- yeah. yeah, it is like stew, it is different from Indian curry, sushi just imagine that the brown part is not the curry root, but the soy-sauce or something the - such kind of thing is very popular, you can change vegetable, meat, whatever. adjust the style, and--- it is very traditional, but it's not hm... popular in here. they know only sushi, I definitely don't try sushi. (DN not

audible, probably why?) If they request I will, but, but, you know it's not homemade cooking, it's something for special day (hm) and if you want to try sushi, (??) go to a restaurant, that's my suggestion. (DN laughing) but we can! but yeah. so I want to make something very homemade, something my mother everyday cooked. (DN uhm) DN- And what's the routine, what does she cook, try guiding(?) from your childhood to university what--- what did she cook for you? M- The.. yeah... we can makin (?? background noise) but... DN- For example in the morning it was this then it was this for lunch then this and this. M- Well- ... for breakfast, (DN uhm) it's not the Japanese style, I think, that's we had a choice of bread, and rice-myyy(almost no break between the words) my brother and sister tent to choose rice, but I always choose bread (DN laughing) and the nan(mumbling in a smal voice, trying to find the right words/remember) the dishes, the res..(not clear) the cakes, eggs, hams, anything is erhm... it suits to rice and also to bread (DN uhm) I think it somehow western or or the leftover of the last ye- that night, well it was . So it was not Japanese or western, it was like mixture. It is very balanced, we had vegetables and egg, aaaand .... some meat and milk and ... bread or...... er.... and bread or rice. Well, its .... yeah, just enough breakfast. Jus- Just not just a piece of bread, it was good to start a day. And for nooooon, ... usually I don't eeeaaat my home(?) noon, so let's skip noon, DN- she did't do you, make you a bento box or anything? M- Ar.. yeah, yeah, yeah. when I was errrr.... high school and small, (DN laughing) yeah, she cooked and yeaahr(different intonation) that's-that's one thing, in kindergarden , in kindergarden, she was really good cook, she really take time for us to cook, compared to other moms. Of course, other moms also cook, can we(break) DN- Ok (as in you can continue now) M- It is in-un-in-unimaginable hoooow she, how much time she spend for us, cause, there is many, okash- nandakke- not only rice but there's some- some many- food, in bento aand, some .. people buy er ready-made-something, oorrr... fo- frozen food,

homemade=mom cooked it everyday=> home=something around you all the time, taste or preferences obviously ignored

balanced=a mixture connected to juding by the passages, mom's cooking? it is mentioned, yes
lunch not homemade, not importantfor the interview? because it's not mom's cooking?

not verified, highly probable

good cook, because she took the time to cook for her kindergarden kids because of the efford involved

and just put it in a microwave-ve ofen- oven. and put it in the b--(not audible) ... but my my-mom didn't do such kind of thing, at all!, when we were child DN- yeah, children M- children, yeah, so... sheee wake up early in the morning, did everything, DN- awesome! M- and ... what-what is the most iM- imp- impressive story, I heard from her that is- this small, small spaghetti salad, ... like the- you know, there is meat and spaghetti and something. So... Spaghetti salad in bento box, for kindergarten children is, you know, very very small, and it is very common to buy.. the frozen spaghetti salad and .. put it in the microwa-wave oven, it doesn't take one minute. It is very easy, and many mother do it, even the one who really... pay attention to their health. (DN uhm) but my mother didn't do it, just for small amount of spaghetti and madethe--DN- Made the salad? M- Yeah, you know, (DN awww) .. it's..... i think .. she was .. she's very nice one. (DN uhm) and... and always uses very balanced. (DN uhm) and hm. For dinner... when I was in my hometown with my family, we were living with my grandma, (DN uhm) so my ma'am[meant mom's] cooks and also my grandma cooks, and grandma is always one to fill the table with dishes, 'cause she growed up in very poor er.. time.. DN- circumstances? balanced=(grand) M- yeah, yeah, yeah, under the war, Second World war, so she.. mom's cooking don't want the scrocity(?) DN- Yeah, I understand M- So my mother cooks, but! she cooks a lot, so the di- the table was always filled with food and we ea- sometimes there was too many dishes, plenty of sidedishes, At that time I think it was the most rich diet in my life (DN laughing) ...hm... pec.. eeto,... no cabo... very balanced ... and abundant (DN laughing uhm) yeas, so of course there is a (not understandable) and forgamony (?) DN- yeah. aaand that leaves dinner.

M- Yeah, that is dinner DN- Tha..., ok. M- Yeah, so cook separately, each.. DN- Both of them at the same time? M- Yeah. Wee.. were living in the same room but, .... same house, but different..... kind of different er... DN- Wa-was it this type of house where more families can live, so they have like two kitchens...? M- Yeah, yeah, yeah. DN- I see! M- it's not separated completely, but somehow conectDN- I think that is a double house. or.. I know what you mean. M- So my- with my grandma lives alone. -not alone, but, yeah, be herself, and we lived in the same house, she cook in this kitchen and my mom cook in this kitchen and at dinner we would get together DN- and have food for an army M- but we were used to it. DN- Did you eat it all? Or.. M- Noooot. Sometimes. It's not heavy, it's never heavy in Japanese cooking, so and, but of course my ... yes, there is some leftover, and it's not unusual to have some leftover in Japan. DN- Ok M- It can be er... food for next day or... e.. sometimes, I find it in my obento, (DN uhm) A! this is the- something from yesterday dinner, but it is very common, DN- OK M- that is big difference from eatern to asia I think, yeah. DN- .... so you practically lived with your mom and (stressed) your grandmom? ER... did you have both of them in the kitchen

or ..? M- .... basicaly .. my moM- our live is a bit complicated, but we- we can- came to live together when I was..... erm..... elementary school so, yeah, yeah, yeah. When er- helped my mom is more younger, (DN uhm) kindergarten or the .... DN- Elementary school? M- Yeah, yeah younger part of the elementary school, DN- Er.. shgakk? M- Yeah, shgakk no kegate(?) ne... er like 6, 7, 8 years old and at that time we living separately so I helped my mom (DN actively uhm) and after that I became a little bit older like 8,9, and then helped we came to live together so I didn't help my grandmother so only mom much, but like in special days... forrrr New Years, oshgatsu, passing on or... some special time, I helped my grandmother, but it'sss of skills like.... I helped for her, like, you know, grandma is very happy direct and she can be with grandchildren so... DN- I did the same for mine, (smiling) M- Yeah, yeah, yeah I did it to... make please .... her..... DN- un-un-and those special times you mentioned, what did that look like? The cooking then M- Well iiisss at New-. Oshgatsu is a culture for Japans. It's a custom an annual event. (DN uhm) so we make. specialsomething- (DN uhm) different from daily foodM- Is it always the same or... is it a tradition DN- Tradition! Yeah! Traditional style. M- Was it a special food or M- Iya, iya,iya! DN- What kind of food? M- Do you know osechi? DN- I think someone explained it to me ...... it's really big and you eat like one week from it? Or..? M- It can be easily(?) gesture (?) but yeah.. in this box there is

many like beans or scrimps or... everything has a meaning. DN- Osecchi? M- Osechi. O-Se-Chi. Everything has a meaning for long life or healthy life or... rich something. Yeah. Everything has a meaning. And .. we prepare it in the last week. The last week of year. Or two day before or so. It depends. So it was a- every year, annual event, and... yes. I helped her. Sometimes it takes time to or needs hand. DN- You mean a helping hand? M- Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I did it. DN- And was it usually the grandma to make the osechi? Or both- you your mom, your grandma and you M- That's right, basically my ma'am[mom], grandma and I helped -a little and tasted. Basically. yeah (DN laughing) and yeah, my grandmother will be happy if I give it some request(?) like ''I like this grandma, I love one'' (imitating a child by speaking with a higher voice) so that's the bigges (not auduible) (DN laughing) they have many many food, many many things to prepare, so.... they separated task- shared tasks. My moM(Interrupted by the waitress to leave, cause the shop is closing) DN- The last you mentioned was that you er... basically told you mom and grandma what you like and that was the biggest help. M- Yeah, well mainly my grandma, and if I tell her I like this, she prepares a bunch (stressed) of it (DN uhm) and it lasts for a week exactly DN- And would you know how to do this osechi alone? Or ... M- I know, but I am not sure whether I can.... d-do it in good way, because I've never do it by myself, all by myself and ....it is.... sometimes not that simple or... er... to... for example to cook the baked beans from the dry one, is like first you have to put it in water and soften it for a w- few days and there is many steps, so I'm not sure whether I can do it in the right way, DN- (laughing) But when you marry and you have children, would you try the same? I mean carry on with the tradition or.. M- I want to. ... But for New Year's osechi, these days, it is... it is sad, but it is becoming more popular to buy it, buy it from passive teaching of cooking skills osechi prepared together as a family

more an inspiration/ motivation for grandma to cook (more) than actual help

obviously intended by mother this way

from department stores or restaurants, and of course the taste is good. and more gorgeous and sometimes they use special ingredients, like curry, tori. kori.... I don't know. DN- Ehm nihongo de? M- toryufu DN- torifu? M- toryuu a the black mushroom DN- kaite kudasai M- It is not Japanese food but, DN- Toryu... M- A french something caviar, toryufu (meaning truffle), extra (...) DN- Japanese is enough (pointing at the written note) M- Not Japanese! DN- No, no, no. I mean Japanese name. M- O, yeah, yeah, yeah. A gomen! So it is a... it's becoming more popular to buy a gorgeous ready-made osechi. ..... this ok, because it spares time (DN uhm) it... yeah... mother don't have to work in the holiday, so it is nice, but .... I by myself .... want to do it for my husband or my children. wants to carry on the "tradition", cook with her intends to children continue the DN- uhm, for or with? passing on by showing rather M- (thinking) first for and then with. I have to--- try it and ... wants to firstly than writing know how to ... tell them.... I have to prepare for myself. prepare herself, down then (after acquiring DN- Ok Yeah, suffivient skills) cook togeter M- By myself. DN- I understand ( both laughing) DN- it's fun. ... Would you also try ... like your mom did the cooking for your kids.

wants to "show off",when cooking or others, will do something better than for herself. * does that mean DN- Yeah optically since I regard M- Main dish, side dish, several dishes, first, I ... I think I will pleasing? the optical try it so yeah, I have to to start trying quality as a passed on DN- yeah, it's hard to practice. atribute, yes M- I think so. .... If I ... I hope... I want. I hope, yeah. I hope, er I think, I hope (DN laughing) and if I have er... people, who- to cook. If I have my husband or my child I will do something better than something for myself. Not something in box M- yeahehe (laughing) DN- ok, I think that's all I needed. Thank you~!

M- Thank you~! It was good ... for myself, do you cook also? DN- I live with my mom still, so still this laziness, I have studying and I travel a lot, and er.... mom, you cook! (M laughing) sometimes, when she doesn't want to then I cook by myself, but most of the time I cook at my boyfriend's place with him. When we have a lot of time and I'm staying over at his place, then we spend like two hours in the kitchen trying to cook something fancy. And most of the time it's just an experiment, sometimes he tried something in a restaurant and he wants to try it at home, I think once or twice we actually succeeded. likes the idea, to DNcook together with M- (laughing)Cooking together is also nice, I like it. boyfriend, but does not come with it DN- Yeah I think so too- we are still recording! herself. *cooking=> female job? probably yes