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konfliqtebi saqarTveloSi da misi mogvarebis perspeqtiva

`preskafeSi~ kidev erTi diskusiis Tema konfliqtebi iyo. diskusias `nacionalizmisa da konfliqtebis kvlevis centris~ eqsperti paata zaqareiSvili uZRveboda.
paata zaqareiSvili: mirCevnia, saqarTveloSi pirveli Tema iyos qarTuli kinos, Teatris, ekonomikis warmateba, magram, samwuxarod, konfliqtebis Tema ukve 20 welia ar Camodis pirveli poziciidan. am Temaze 99 wlidan vmuSaob, uSualod viyavi CarTuli procesebSi, gaxldiT tyveTa gacvlis komisiis xelmZRvaneli qarTul-afxazur konfliqtSi... aqedan gamomdinare, afxazebTan mWidro kontaqti da garkveuli ndobac mqonda. SeiZleba iTqvas, dResac arsebobs es kontaqti, rogorc satelefono, aseve internetiT, amitom Cemi poziciebi ufro obieqturia da ar aris damyarebuli propagandaze, romelsac konfliqturi mxareebis xelisufleba avrcelebs. dRes konfliqtebTan dakavSirebiT xelisuflebis pozicia Zalian xistia. mas afasebs rogorc ruseTis mxridan saqarTvelos okupacias _ afxazeTsa da samxreT oseTs mxareebad ar aRiqvams. swored konfliqtis mxareebis mimarT gaucxoebam gamoiwvia saboloo jamSi saomari moqmedebebi. is, rac moxda 2008 wels, faqtobrivad, 2006 wels daiwyo, roca dialogisa da molaparakebis reJimi xelisuflebam karnaxis reJimSi gadaiyvana. kodoris xeobaSi qarTuli samxedroebis gadayvaniT saqarTvelom daarRvia ruseTTan SeTanxmeba, radgan kodorSi qarTuli an rusuli formirebebi ar unda yofiliyvnen (adgilobriv mosaxleobaze dafuZnebuli policiuri dajgufebebi akontrolebdnen situacias). am SeTanxmebis darRvevis Semdeg, faqtobrivad, yovelgvari qarTul-afxazuri kontaqti Sewyda. meore Secdoma iyo, roca oseTis arCevnebSi Caeria saqarTvelo da sanakoevi gaaCina. amiT ruseTs sruli kart-blanSi miveciT afxazeTsa da oseTSi moqmedebis. aman gamoiwvia Cveni propagandis gaZliereba, ramac sabolood 2008 wlis omSi CagviTria. parlamentma sanakoevis proeqtis gamo sakmaod seriozuli dadgenileba miiRo, ramac ukan daxia saqarTvelo. es aris dokumenti, romelsac hqvia `yofili samxreT oseTis avtonomiur teritoriaze droebiTi administraciis Seqmnis Sesaxeb~. saqarTvelos xelisuflebam am dadgenilebiT samxreT oseTi aRadgina da es daasabuTa ramdenime saerTaSoriso xelSekrulebiT. amitom dRes moraluri uflebac ki aRar gvaqvs vTqvaT, rom stalinma Tavis droze ukanonod Seqmna samxreT oseTi, radgan am dokumentiT Cven es davadastureT. Cven ar velaparakebiT afxazebs da osebs, ruseTi ki Cven ar gvelaparakeba _ ase SevqmeniT mkvdari samkuTxedi. es yvelaferi kargad Cans Jenevis formatSi, sadac mesame welia molaparakebis procesebi mimdinareobs. arc erT dokumentze ar mogviweria dRemde xeli. mxolod ori dokumenti gvaqvs xelT, sarkozi-medvedevis da sarkozi-saakaSvilis mier xelmowerili. es TavisTavad imaze metyvelebs, rom konfliqtis mxareebi gamokveTilic ki ar aris. magram Jenevis formati mainc mniSvnelovania, amiT is mainc Cans, rom procesi adgilidan ar iZvris. anu im sarkesaviTaa, romelic oTaxSi gaqvs _ SeiZleba am sarkeSi arasdros ixedebode, magram Tu mogindeba, maSin Caixedav. es ki gansxvavdeba imisgan, sarke saerTod rom ar gqondes. axla afxazeTis xelisuflebaSi movida adamiani _ aleqsandre anqvabi, romelsac afxazuri kanonmdeblobiT marTvis aTi wlis legitimacia aqvs. am periodSi mas SeuZlia axali epoqa Seqmnas. is kargad icnobs saqarTvelos, wlebis ganmavlobaSi aq cxovrobda da muSaobda, kargad esmis qarTuli politikis konteqstic, amitom Tu Cven vapirebT afxazebTan saerTo enis gamonaxvas, anqvabi am mxriv saukeTeso variantia. Tu es aTi welic ar gamoviyeneT, Semdeg iseTi Taoba mova, romelsac saerTod gaucxoeba eqneba saqarTvelos mimarT. samxreT oseTs ki dRes ver SevafasebT, radgan iq iseTi procesebi midis, SeiZleba isrolon kidec. Tumca Tavis droze, roca qarTul mosaxleobas uari vaTqmevineT arCevnebSi monawileobaze, osur xelisuflebaSi Cveni kandidaturis gayvanis Sansi gavuSviT xelidan. Cveni mTavari mizani iyo, rogorme evrokavSirs termini _ `okupacia~ Caewera dokumentebSi da es miviReT kidec, magram okupaciis Zaxili problemas ver moagvarebs. evrokavSirs moswyinda mudmivad Cveni wuwunis mosmena da termini `okupacia~ Cagviwera dokumentebSi. es Canaweri evropul dokumentSi gaCnda ara wels, aramed SarSan, magram SarSan erTi Canaweri gvqonda, wels

paata zaqareiSvili da paata jalaRonia

_ sami. da wels es gasammagebulad gvazeimes. momavalSi Tu 5-jer Caweren, ra unda vqnaT, gaxuTmagebulad unda vizeimoT? paata jalaRonia: roca ruseTis msoflio savaWro organizaciaSi Sesvlas mxari davuWireT, ra movigeT da ra wavageT amiT. da meore, rom vaRiaroT afxazeTi da oseTi mxared, ra Seicvleba amiT? paata zaqareiSvili: saqarTvelos moTxovnebi Zalian politizebuli iyo, amitom wavida zewola saqarTveloze. Tu saqarTvelo ar daTanxmdeboda, sxva qveynebi iZulebulni gaxdebodnen, ruseTi saqarTvelos gverdis avliT mieRoT, amitom gvirCies, ar dagvekarga Cveni saxe da davTanxmebuliyaviT. jobda, saerTod ar dagveyenebina politikuri moTxovnebi, Tu aseTi Sedegi unda migveRo. Cven gvindoda dagvefiqsirebina, rom sazRvarze qarTvelebi, qarTuldroSiani mebaJeebi mdgariyvnen, samagierod, gamogvrCa is, rom dokumentSi arsad araferi weria sazRvao da sahaero tvirTebis kontrolze. Cvens dokumentSi ar weria sazRvris dasaxeleba, ruseTsa da afxazeTs Soris dadebul xelSekrulebaSi ki weria, sad aris afxazeTis sazRvrebi, romelsac akontrolebs ruseTi. es aris politikurad Zalian warumatebeli nabiji. aseT pirobebSi unda aRdges ormxrivi dialogi, is, rac movspeT 2006 wels. konfliqtis mkvdari wertilidan daZvrisTvis es aris erTaderTi gamosavali. afxazebi da osebi amboben, rom maT sWirdebaT saqarTvelosTan omis ganuaxleblobis xelSekruleba. amas iTxoven 1999 wlidan, razec yovelTvis uars veubnebodiT. radgan saqarTvelom uaryo afxazeTi da

oseTi, rogorc konfliqtis mxareebi, axla am nabijzec veRar gadadian. amitom gaRizianda xelisufleba ivaniSvilis gancxadebaze, rodesac man mkafiod SeuTvala osebs da afxazebs, rom mas unda maTTan, rogorc mxareebTan urTierToba. aslan lorTqifaniZe: xelisufleba saerTod aRar laparakobs konfliqtze, magram ramdenad Tamami gadawyvetileba iqneba, upirobod gavxsnaT sazRvrebi? paata zaqareiSvili: geTanxmebiT, rom xelisufleba cdilobs ar ilaparakos konfliqtebze, metsac getyviT, prezidentma parlamentSi bolo gamosvlis dros saerTod ar axsena afxazeTi da oseTi. es aris Segnebuli politika, rom ar arsebobs cneba _ samxreT oseTi da afxazeTi, arsebobs mxolod ruseT-saqarTvelo. es SemaSfoTebeli tendenciaa. Tu Cven aRar vaxsenebT afxazeTsa da samxreT oseTs, gava dro da evrokavSiri gvetyvis amas. Tu gava wlebi da araferi Seicvala, gamodis, rom afxazeTSi arsebuli viTareba gansxvavdeba im realobisgan, ra realobasac saqarTvelo SesTavazebs msoflios da ufro ioli iqneba sxva kabinetebSi kosovos variantis miReba. oseTis infrastruqtura saqarTvelozea mibmuli, magram afxazeTi aris Sav zRvaze, romelic evrokavSirsac erTvis. erT mSvenier dRes is daxedavs rukas da dainaxavs, rom Sav zRvaze aris adgili, saidanac Sesuli tvirTebi _ narkotiki, iaraRi da ase Semdeg, ar kontroldeba. amitom daiwyeben imaze fiqrs, rom es teritoria iuridiul CarCoSi moaqcion... me, piradad, ki ar davblokavdi, yvela afxazur manqanas SemovuSvebdi saqarTvelos teritoriaze, ufro

meti kontaqtebi rom damyardes Cven Soris da meti yoveldRiuri Sexeba gvqondes erTmaneTTan. madona baraTaSvili, studenti: Tuki saerTaSoriso organizaciebs ar SeuZliaT konfliqtis mogvareba, ratom vamyarebT maTze imedebs? paata zaqareiSvili: ver dageTanxmebiT, rom ver agvareben. saerTod, organizaciebi ar erevian qveynebis suverenitetSi, es mxolod im SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba moxdes, Tuki masobrivi mkvleloba xdeba da xelisufleba Tavis xalxs ebrZvis, rac moxda ruandaSi, eraySi, avRaneTSi, libiaSi. gavixsenoT agvistos omi, Cven maSin Zalian gagvimarTla, rom evrokavSiris Tavmjdomare safrangeTi iyo. ruseTi evrokavSiris qveynebidan mxolod germanias, safrangeTsa da did britaneTs uwevs angariSs. sarkozi iyo is prezidenti, romelmac medvedevs cnobil xuTpunqtian dokumentze moawerina xeli. maSin evrokavSiris Tavmjdomare sxva saxelmwifo rom yofiliyo, magaliTad, italia, SeiZleboda gacilebiT uaresad damTavrebuliyo CvenTvis agvistos omi. Tuki adamiani, ubralod, daSinebulia an xmas yidis, es misi nebaa, Tavisufali neba ki evropisTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovania. Tuki Cven ar gvinda afxazebTan saubari, veranairi saerTaSoriso organizacia amas Cven magivrad ver moaxerxebs. irakli CavleiSvili: rkinigzis aRdgena ramdenad swori gadawyvetileba iqneba da mainteresebs, ras fiqrobT mamuka areSiZis gancxadebazec, xom ar vaRiaroT afxazeTis damoukidebloba. paata zaqareiSvili: rkinigzis gaxsna, ra Tqma unda, kargia, radgan saqarTvelo gaxdeba seriozuli moTamaSe kavkasiaSi, savaWro TvalsazrisiT. rac ufro meti adamiani Seva da gamova afxazeTsa da saqarTvelos Soris, miT ufro aRdgeba kavSiri... damoukideblobis aRiarebis winaaRmdegi var, radgan amiT sabolood CavabarebT afxazeTs ruseTs... amaze laparaki SeiZleboda adre, axla rusuli politikis gagrZeleba iqneba. Cveni valia, gadavarCinoT afxazebi... mivceT afxazeTs yvelaferi, aRiarebis garda. vaRiaroT afxazuri pasportebi da vTqvaT, rom es aris saqarTvelos Sida moxmarebis sabuTi. anu TurqeTsa da mezobel saxelmwifoebs vTxovoT, rom afxazebi TavianTi pasportebiT gaataron maT sazRvrebze... ufasod vumkurnaloT, riTac kidev ufro davakavSirebdiT am xalxs saqarTvelosTan. ganaTlebas mivcemdi SeRavaTian pirobebSi. da Tu kargad imuSavebda es proeqtebi, Semdeg ukve sxva nabijebs gadavdgamdiT. gela abulaZe, studenti: sadamde SeiZleba gagrZeldes es viTareba da ra Sansi aqvs saqarTvelos darCenili... paata zaqareiSvili: SeiZleba gagrZeldes maqsimum 15 weliwadi. Tu es periodic ver gamoviyeneT, afxazeTs verasodes davibrunebT. Tu gvinda 10 weliwadSi konfliqti movagvaroT, gaTvla 20 welze unda gavakeToT. Tu vityviT, rom Cven dRes gvinda konfliqtis mogvareba, es niSnavs, rom verasodes davibrunebT afxazeTs. moamzada lela dumbaZem
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