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1997 953c with four trouble codes: 030 600F08, 030 819F02, 030 821F04, 079 168F04. Current symptoms include: miss that worsens with extended idle time, lacks power under load/very sluggish drive system
Submitted: 393 days and 17 hours ago. Category: Heavy Equipment Value: $28

Status: CLOSED

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Optional Information: Make: Caterpillar Model: 953c Year: 1997 Already Tried: Haven't gotten too far yet. noticed fuel around the base of the inverted fuel filter is about all. Tightened filter, no change.

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MID 079 - CID 0168 - FMI 04

Conditions Which Generate This Code: This diagnostic code is recorded w hen the ECM reads the system voltage as being below 23.0 DCV. The possible causes of this diagnostic code are listed: A charging system component is faulty. The machine harness is faulty. The ECM has failed. This is unlikely. System Response: W hen this diagnostic code occurs, a w arning (Category 3) is show n on the monitor. The transmission w ill shift into NEUTRAL if system voltage drops below approximately 18 DCV. Normal operation w ill resume after the problem has been corrected and after the speed/direction control lever has been returned to PARK. The normal operation resumes w hen the voltage recovers above 23 DCV. Test Step 1. CHECK THE BATTERY VOLTAGE. 1. Start the engine and run the engine at high idle for several minutes. 1. Measure the voltage of the battery at the battery posts. Expected Result: The battery voltage should be greater than 23.0 DCV. Results: OK - The battery voltage is greater than 23.0 DCV. The battery voltage is correct. Proceed to test step 2. NOT OK - The battery voltage is NOT greater than 23.0 DCV. Repair: Check the charging system. See Special Instruction, REHS0354, "Charging System Troubleshooting" for more information. Stop. Test Step 2. CHECK THE SY STEM VOLTAGE AT THE ECM. 1. The engine remains running at high idle. 1. DO NOT DISCONNECT the machine harness from the ECM. 1. Use the 7X-1710 Multimeter Probe to measure the positive voltage (DCV) betw een contacts D-1 (w ire 164-W H) and contact D-2 (w ire 202-BK). Expected Result: The voltage measurement is greater than 23.0 DCV. Results: OK - The voltage is greater than 23.0 DCV. The battery voltage is correct. Proceed to test step 3. NOT OK - The voltage is NOT correct. The machine harness has failed. Repair: Repair the machine harness or replace the machine harness. Stop. Test Step 3. CHECK IF THE DIAGNOSTIC CODE REMAINS. 1. Turn the key start sw itch and the disconnect sw itch to the OFF position. 1. Disconnect connector B and connector D from the ECM. Inspect the contacts of the harness connectors and clean the contacts. 1. Reconnect all harness connectors. 1. Turn the key start sw itch and the disconnect sw itch to the ON position. 1. Enter the service mode of the Caterpillar Monitoring System and clear all inactive diagnostic codes. 1. Operate the machine. 1. View the status of CID 0168 FMI 04. Expected Result: The diagnostic code is NO longer active. Results: Y ES - The diagnostic code is NO longer active. The diagnostic code does not exist at this time. The initial diagnostic code w as probably caused by a poor electrical connection or a short at one of the harness connectors that w as disconnected and reconnected. Stop. NO - The diagnostic code has NOT been corrected. Repair: Resume normal machine operation. It is unlikely that the ECM is faulty. Exit this procedure and perform this procedure again. If the cause of the diagnostic code is not found, replace the ECM. See Testing and Adjusting, "Electronic Control Module (ECM) - Replace". Stop. Donnie :
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MID 030 - CID 0600 - FMI 08

Conditions Which Generate This Code: Service Notes: Ensure that the desired diagnostic code is on hold. Ensure that the diagnostic code indicator show s "SERV CODE". Verify the connector contact and the w ire numbers by using the Electrical System Schematic for the machine that is being serviced. Note: See Diagnostic Function, "Temperature Sender" in order to troubleshoot this component. Test Step 1. Perform the following diagnostic procedure: Temperature Sender Results: OK - STOP REPAIRED, OK - STOP Donnie :

MID 030 - CID 0819 - FMI 02

This diagnostic code is recorded w hen the main display module does not receive expected information. W hen the main display module sends information to a display component, the display component sends a signal back to the main display module. The signal confirms correct information. W hen the main display module does not receive expected information, the diagnostic code is logged. As a result of this diagnostic code, the main display module may not respond to the information that is received. Gauges and readouts could be incorrect w hen the main display module is in normal mode. Check the connections for the display data link. Check for opens or shorts in the harness w iring for the display data link. Test Step 1. INSPECT THE HARNESS CONNECTIONS. 1. Turn the disconnect sw itch to the OFF position. 1. Inspect the harness connections that are related to the display data link. Make sure that the connectors are clean and tight. 1. Check the mating of the harness connectors. 1. Check w ires at the connector. 1. Check each w ire for nicks or signs of abrasion in the insulation. 1. Check for moisture at the connector. 1. Check for dirty contacts or corroded contacts. 1. Check each pin and each socket. Expected Result: The machine harness connectors are tight and free of corrosion. Results: OK - The machine harness connectors are tight and free of corrosion. Proceed to test step 2. NOT OK - The machine harness connectors are NOT tight and free of corrosion. Repair: Repair the machine harness or replace the machine harness. STOP Test Step 2. CHECK FOR A SHORT TO +BATTERY 1. Turn the key start sw itch and the disconnect sw itch to the OFF position. 1. Disconnect the harness from the main display module. 1. Disconnect the machine harness connectors from all of the display components. 1. At the harness connectors for the main display module, measure the resistance betw een the contacts that are listed below : Connector contact 1(+Batery ) and the Display Data Link circuit contact 4 (w ire C413-YL). Connector contact 1(+ Battery) and the Display Data Link circuit contact 5 (w ire C414-BU). Connector contact 1 (+ Battery) and the Display Data Link circuit contact 3 (w ire E708-PK). Expected Result: The resistance is greater than 5000 ohms. Results: OK - The resistance is greater than 5000 ohms. Proceed to test step 3. NOT OK - The resistance is less than 5 ohms. The machine harness has failed. Repair: There is a short betw een the +battery and the circuits of the display data link in the machine harness. Replace the machine harness or repair the machine harness. STOP Test Step 3. CHECK FOR AN OPEN HARNESS. 1. The disconnect sw itch and the key start sw itch remain in the OFF position. 1. All the display modules remain disconnected from the machine harness. 1. Measure the resistance of the circuits of the display data link that are listed below : Measure the resistance betw een connector contact 35 (w ire C413-YL) to connector contact 4 (w ire C413-YL) of the message center module. Measure the resistance betw een connector contact 15 (w ire C414-BU) to connector contact 5 (w ire C414-BU) of the message center module. Measure the resistance betw een connector contact 25 (w ire E708-PK) to connector contact 3 (w ire E708-PK) of the message center module. Expected Result: The resistance is less than 5 ohms. Results: OK - The resistance is less than 5 ohms. The circuit resistance is correct. Proceed to test step 4. - The resistance is greater than 5000 ohms. Repair: There is an open in the machine harness. Repair the machine harness or Replace the machine harness. STOP Test Step 4. CHECK FOR A SHORT TO GROUND 1. The disconnect sw itch and the key start sw itch remain in the OFF position. 1. The main display module and all the display components remain disconnected from the machine harness. 1. At the machine harness connector for the main display module, measure the resistance betw een frame ground and the connector contacts 35 (w ire C413-YL), 15 (w ire C414-BU) and 25(w ire E708-PK) of the display data link. Expected Result: The resistance is greater than 5000 ohms. Results: OK - The resistance is greater than 5000 ohms. The resistance of the circuit is correct. Proceed to test step 5. NOT OK - The resistance is less than 5000 ohms. The resistance of the circuit is not correct. Repair: There is a short betw een frame ground and the circuits of the display data link in the machine harness. Replace the machine harness or repair the machine harness. STOP Test Step 5. CHECK FOR + 12 DCV 1. Reconnect all modules to the machine harness. 1. Turn the disconnect sw itch and the key start sw itch to the ON position. 1. Use the 7X-1710 Cable probes to check the voltage at the contact 1 (w ire E707-GN) to contact 2 (w ire 201-BK) of the message center module. Expected Result: The voltage is 9.0 0.5 DCV.
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The voltage is 9.0 0.5 DCV. Results: OK - The voltage is 9.0 0.5 DCV. Repair: Replace the message center module. STOP NOT OK - The voltage is NOT 9.0 0.5 DCV. The voltage is not correct. Repair: The main display module has failed. It is unlikely that the main display module has failed. Exit this procedure and perform this procedure again. If the problem is not found, replace the main display module. See Testing and Adjusting, "Module - Replace". STOP Donnie :

MID 030 - CID 0821 - FMI 04

This diagnostic code is recorded w hen the main display module reads the voltage of the display pow er supply circuit and the voltage is below normal. Normal display pow er supply voltage is 9.0 0.5 DCV. The schematic that is show n above represents a typical installation of the component. Verify the connector contact and w ire numbers by using the Electrical System Schematic for the machine that is being serviced. Test Step 1. CHECK THE VOLTAGE AT THE MAIN DISPLAY MODULE. 1. DO NOT disconnect the harness from the module. 1. Use the 7X-1710 Multimeter Probe Group. Check the voltage at the connector for the main display module. Measure the voltage from contact 34 to contact 2 (ground). Expected Result: The voltage measures 9.0 0.5 DCV. Results: OK - The voltage is 9.0 0.5 DCV. The display pow er supply voltage is correct. Check the main display module for the same diagnostic code. If the service code indicator is still ON, the main display module has failed. Repair: It is unlikely that the main display module has failed. Exit this procedure and perform this procedure again. Also, recheck if the diagnostic code indicator is illuminated for this diagnostic code. If the cause of the diagnostic code is not found, replace the main display module. See Testing and Adjusting, "Module - Replace". STOP NOT OK - The voltage is NOT 9.0 0.5 DCV. The display pow er supply voltage is NOT correct. Proceed to test step 2. Test Step 2. DISCONNECT THE MODULES. 1. Use the 7X-1710 Multimeter Probe Group. Check the voltage at the connector for the main display module. Measure the voltage from contact 34 to contact 2 (ground). 1. Disconnect a display module from the machine harness one at a time. 1. Continue to measure the voltage at the connector for the main display module. Measure the voltage from contact 34 to contact 2. Expected Result: The voltage that is measured is 9.0 0.5 DCV. Results: OK - The voltage is 9.0 0.5 DCV. The pow er supply to the module is correct. The module that w as just disconnected has failed. Repair: Replace the module that w as disconnected. STOP NOT OK - The voltage is NOT 9.0 0.5 DCV. The display pow er supply voltage is not correct. Repeat this test step again. All the modules have been disconnected from the machine harness and the voltage is NOT 9.0 0.5 DCV. Proceed to test step 3. Test Step 3. CHECK FOR A SHORT TO GROUND. 1. Turn the disconnect sw itch and the key start sw itch to the OFF position. 1. Disconnect the machine harness from the main display module. 1. At the machine harness connector for the main display module, measure the resistance. Measure the resistance betw een harness connector contact 34 and harness connector contact 2. Expected Result: The resistance that is measured is greater than 5000 ohms. Results: OK - The resistance that is measured is greater than 5000 ohms.STOP NOT OK - The resistance is less than 5000 ohms. The harness has failed. Repair: Repair the harness or replace the harness. STOP Donnie : None of these codes are related to the engine. Donnie : I think you should focus on the fuel system. Donnie : The 0790 168F04 is low voltage but, it think this machine has the latching fuel shutoff and w ould not be effected by the low voltage. Donnie : The best things to check on the fuel system is the pressure going to the back of the cylinder head (supply). Then check the suction and return lines for air in the fuel. Donnie : Install a piece of clear line w ere the suction line goes to the engine and run engine to see the flow . Only a small amount of air should be seen. Move line to betw een the w ater separator and the transfer pump second and recheck. Lastly move it to the return line and check for air coming from the engine. If no air is going into the engine but it is coming from the engine (more w ill be seen under load), you have a loose injector and you should have them all removed, cleaned and reseated w ith the press tool for a proper fit. Customer : Lost at the moment: w e have been running the machine only on w eekends, last w eek ran fine, now after a cold w eather start, develops this miss and huge loss of pow er. could this have anything to do w ith using the ether aid? Donnie : No, not unless it over loaded the engine w ith ether and caused to lock and bend a connecting rod. This is not like using the factory system. Donnie : The factory system limits the amount and only allow s one shot per starting attempt. Customer :
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That's w hat i used so relieved to know that is probably not the case. Donnie : It is the safest w ay. The most common problem w ith this engine is air in the fuel and/or low fuel pressure. Customer : Does this engine use a mechanical lift pump to feed the injection pump? Donnie : The transfer pump is built into the governor drive housing. This engine does not have an injection pump. It has mechanical unit injectors (MUI) similar to the Detroit Diesel. Customer : I w ill try your first few tips and see w here it takes me. Thanks for responding so quickly, Donnie. Donnie : OK, let me know w hat you find. By the w ay, fuel pressure needs to be above 35 psi, 50 is best. The tranfer pump can only make 80 psi in perfect conditons. You can pinch off the return line to see how high it can get but, only do this for a short period of time.
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