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July/Aug
2007
final TapeOpCon. “Final?” you ask? Check out the TapeOpCon recap this issue.
Now we’re off to host Jackpot!’s 10 year anniversary and opening party.
58 Gear Reviews Eventually will all this settle down? I’m not even sure how the mag gets done
78 CD Revews at this point. Just kidding.
82 The End Rant My pal Dave Allen recently (via his website www.pampelmoose.com)
recently turned me onto The Long Tail , a concept noted by Wired
Magazine’s Chris Anderson (and recently in book form as The Long Tail: Why
the Future of Business is Selling Less of More, published by Hyperion). The
idea is that in media there are the “hit” products with mass sales (the green
part of the chart above) and then the “non-hit” products with less sales (the
yellow part to the right). What he’s noticed is that companies like Netflix
and Amazon are selling more volume of the “non-hit” products. This is
happening with online music retail and downloads as well. And this is the
theory that I always had in my mind about Tape Op.
Most of the music being recorded in the world is being done in low (no?)
to mid budget recording scenarios. This might seem obvious, but eleven
years ago when I would look at the cover of other magazines and see some
brand new room with a $250,000 console that I would never be able to set
foot in, I knew that there was a world of music recording that was being
ignored. My friends and I were all making records with great local engineers
and studios, and some of us recorded releases at home on out-of-date gear.
Eleven years on it seems more obvious than ever that great music can come
from many different places - and as an avid music fan I’m happier than ever
about that. Bring on The Long Tail. It’s where most of us really live.
www.thelongtail.com
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Larry Crane
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Chris and Larry, I just read I am trying to learn about recording. I have taken
your question [about low classes and read several texts, but there are a lot of
end perception and mixing] things I have forgotten because I don’t use them
and Larry’s response. everyday, and there are many things I have not
Monitoring is definitely part learned about yet. I read your magazine and find the
of the problem. This is a information in it very valuable, but there are many
situation that plagues many things I still don’t understand yet as I have not dealt
home and prosumer recordists. with them directly - throw in the myriad of equipment
Thanks for getting Tape Op to our The dinosaur’s answer is actually a question: Why is this that is available, and I hope you can imagine how a
shores here in the UK. I read it cover to a new problem? In the dark ages of tape, (usually at 30 beginner can become quite confused. I was hoping
cover - I just couldn’t put it down. Thanks for a great ips) the low end was limited by the medium, about 45 Hz you could do something like a “beginner’s page”
read, not just great gear reviews. Its nice to see you and you were gone. Also, studios had large monitors that where you took an item and explained it, how and
still appreciate ears and warm EQs in the USA, rather typically had two 15” speakers on each side, and when it would be used, how it would be connected
than bit depth and DC to light frequency response. I somewhat well-designed rooms where you could actually and whether it goes to hardware or a software
suppose I just don’t want to spend the rest of my life hear 40 Hz. We had well designed HVAC that were pretty program, etc. Maybe when gear is reviewed this type
in front of a computer monitor! All the best quiet and were naturally protected from this situation. of information could be done as a footnote or
and jolly good show. Now digital recorders can typically record flat to 10 Hz, something. Even some of the ads don’t have any
Dow Fereday <www.ltsstudio.co.uk> while small monitors maybe get you to 80 Hz. The result information, and it’s hard to support your advertisers
is that it is extremely easy to record lots of trash in the when you don t know what the equipment does. As an
I am hoping you can clarify something for me. I
low end from HVAC, foot shuffling, and other general crap, example, I see mic preamps going for thousands of
have been doing a lot of “creating” within Mac’s
without ever being able to hear it. This translates into a dollars, but it talks about one input. Does that mean
GarageBand, using loops and samples from the Jam
lot of useless energy in the bottom and worse, harmonics that for eight inputs, I need eight units? I realize that
Packs. From the documents I have read, these loops
an octave or two higher. There is a simple cure, and it’s these things may be basic information for most
and samples are all royalty free with regard to
called the high pass filter. Unless you are recording readers, but as a beginner I look to magazines like
compositions and creations I make. I’m not trying to
something with real low end (low E on a standard tuned yours to learn from. I was just hoping that you might
“get by” with anything unethical or illegal - I just want
bass guitar is 41.2 Hz), ditch the bottom. As a general be able to put in a little more info for the beginner,
to be sure that I am understanding this correctly. I
rule, use a 50 Hz HPF [high pass filter] on everything as I’m sure there are other folks besides myself that
have a CD ready to release on a small “indie scale”. Do
unless it actually messes with the sound. You will find would benefit from this info.
I need to say that the cuts were all created in
that much of the mysterious “mud” is gone. Dan Cameron <Cameron.Daniel@Charter.net>
GarageBand? If so, do I have to get permission to use
Geoff Daking <www.daking.com> I’ve thought about this situation in the past. Can we
the name GarageBand to acknowledge them?
Marc Jonathan Haney <fretsntracks@hotmail.com> I’ve done this ever since getting my first semi-decent make a magazine that speaks to the beginner and the
console. When mixing, I generally use HPFs on seasoned pro? I think we already do, but here’s the
Essentially, a user can use the content provided with
everything except kick drum, toms, top snare, bass catch: Someone starting at the bottom will have to do
GarageBand or the Jam Packs (instruments and loops)
guitar, low organ parts and such. Be careful that you a bit of homework to catch up. When I started
royalty-free as part of their own original compositions
aren’t running the source through an HPF when tracking recording music, I was driven. I read every book at the
and productions. The user just can’t re-sell the loops.
and again at mixing - this can thin out the sound too library, bought a few more and read every mag I could
Here’s what our Software License Agreement says:
much sometimes. Why I forgot to mention this last issue find. When I didn’t understand something I would take
“Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. This License
I’ll never know! Thanks Geoff! -LC notes, and then look for the answers in my books. These
allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple
I was just reading the interview with Lincoln Fong in days you could just Google the question, dig through a
Software on a single computer at a time. You may use
#59, and I have to say I was struck by something in forum (careful about posting “newbie” questions
the Apple and third party audio loop content (“Audio
particular in one of his responses. When talking about his unless you have thick skin or read the stickies!) or look
Content”), contained in or otherwise included with the
work on Dirty Three’s Whatever You Love, You Are, he for sites with tons of knowledge collected (I’ve seen a
Apple Software, on a royalty-free basis, to create your
mentions how his method “would’ve been to go and get bunch of these). But the most important part, just like
own original soundtracks for your video and audio
a better drum kit and then ask him to tune it.” I think any learning experience, is to apply the knowledge to
projects. You may broadcast and/or distribute your own
this is a perfect example of how sometimes even things real world situations and to do this on a regular basis.
soundtracks that were created using the Audio Content,
which don’t fit some kind of working norm or standard And that means to record all the time.
however, individual samples, sound sets, or audio loops
with regard to recording or the sound of an instrument in By the way, if a mic pre has one channel then you
may not be commercially or otherwise distributed on a
general really contribute to the character of a recording. need one pre per mic to record simultaneous sources,
standalone basis, nor may they be repackaged in whole
As a drummer, as a fan of Dirty Three and as a fan of music like a drum set for example. Here’s a real simple
or in part as audio samples, sound libraries, sound
in general, it’s the little quirks and idiosyncrasies of explanation for an audio path: Source > mic or DI >
effects or music beds.” The entire GarageBand/Jam
records like this [and others] that really make them worth preamp (but not if DI is line level out) > recording
Pack Software License Agreement is located here:
listening to. While I’m sure not anyone can walk into a medium (tape deck, DAW or standalone device >
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/garagebandjam.pdf
studio and get a good recording of a drum kit, I do know mixer (could be within DAW or console) > monitor
Christine Wilhelmy, PR Program Manager Pro
that Fong’s work on this record makes it a record I enjoy controller (could be part of console or DAW
Applications <www.apple.com>
listening to, and I think a lot of that also has to do with interface) > speakers or headphones. Post preamp or
There’s nothing requiring the user to credit post recording medium (or console insert) you can
the sounds he captures. Not having a “better drum kit”
GarageBand or Apple whenever they release a song with place EQ, compression and such. Add extra channels
makes this record sound the way it does, and I for one am
one of their loops. up into the recording medium for more tracks in, and
grateful that things like this exist in the world. While
Alan Korn <aakorn@igc.org> channels between the medium and mixer (or internal
maybe it wasn’t the optimal situation at the time, it
serves the music and at the end of the day I think that’s mixing in a DAW or standalone device) for more
Respond to Tape Op: tracks to mix with. I hope this helps! -LC
all any of us can hope to do.
Editor@tapeop.com
Nicholas Decarmine <slowdynamite.com>
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I wanted to respond to one of Larry’s answers in In my response (which I should have elaborated on I worked out of Atlantic Studios’ production
#59. Jeff Boller wrote about a program called and didn’t consider a “dismissal”) I wasn’t saying that department from ’86 to its demise in March ’03, and did
REAPER. He hyped it up and talked about its benefits, Pro Tools is the best or the worst, but was instead CD mastering for most of those years, among the
and he also spoke of the benefits that are involved in illustrating that in the commercial recording world it’s numerous other WEA projects necessary for a prominent
working with a company like Cockos Software (who very hard to introduce a new recording system or to sell company such as ours. We were the East Coast
makes REAPER). Larry responded with a dismissal of your business without adopting whatever product, good equivalent of our West Coast sister Warner Brothers
“That sounds like a great solution for you Jeff, and or bad, that is in vogue. Believe me, coughing up Studios. My specialty was back-catalog remastering for
REAPER looks pretty cool, but try telling a potential $15,000-plus for Pro Tools was not something I wanted CD. That, among other things, included the A to D
client for your commercial studio that you don’t have to do, but to stay compatible with other studios and to transfer from (hopefully) the original master tape, EQ’ing
Pro Tools and that they need to use ‘REAPER’ give our clients what they were requesting, I felt like I (I never used a compressor for back-catalog releases),
instead.” I think Larry missed the majority of the had to go to PT HD. Andy and I are curious about and formatting for the new medium (CD), etc. I seem to have
point of Boller’s email. It’s that kind of attitude - the have been keeping an eye on REAPER, so I hope to see quite a fan club for the work I did back then (see
“Pro Tools is the best-and-only software to use. All a review in Tape Op soon. -LC SteveHoffman.tv). One thing, though. I was lucky to get
other software pales in comparison. Pro Tools can do I didn’t get to thank you and John yet for my mastering credits printed anywhere in/on the
no wrong” - that makes Pro Tools the only software publishing my question about recording upright printing of these reissues. It was like I didn’t exist. There
that people will use or even respond to. The point pianos - as well as the incredible myriad of responses are many possible reasons for that. One: Why spend $$$
Boller was making was not that “Everyone should try to my question! Since posing that question to you I on changing the label copy? Another: Who really knew
REAPER, it’s the next big thing!” but rather, “If other have discovered some pretty incredible sounds and who the mastering engineer was in the
companies would take a hint from companies like have experimented a bit with everything from the graphics/printing end of production/manufacturing?
Cockos Software, and actually respond to their angle of the piano to the wall, the distance of the Who even knew that there was a mastering engineer?
customers’ needs instead of just assuming they know piano to the wall, to using a 1950s vulcanized “These things happen by themselves,” maybe they
best, then there would be a more level playing field.” rubber-coated contact microphone designed for thought. Or perhaps the timing wasn’t right, not enough
Eventually, some software company is going to do mic’ing the soundboard of pianos and other stringed time to get the engineer’s name before the release date.
everything so right, in terms of both productivity, instruments - really interesting results. I will send Who knew why, but I was lucky to get my name on one
quality of software and customer service, that the you a copy of the album I am recording for an artist out of ten releases. Pathetic. Forget the fact that the
“industry standard” is going to change, and if PT isn’t named Jonathan Bell once he presses and releases it. studio manager got every single release from the
on top of its game, it’s going to lose its status. It’s I am very proud of the sounds this 115 year-old piano company mailed to his door while the engineers were
happened before, and it will happen again, and it’s can make (with a great human player, of course), that allowed a certain number of freebies. But that’s a whole
always the underdog (like Cockos) that makes a big I have captured. I look forward to trying some of the ‘nother story. I like your mag. It talks when
push in the end. suggestions from your magazine. others are quiet, informs where there are
Brandon <mr.walkaway@gmail.com> Brendan Davies <almostjune@gmail.com> blackouts, excites where others chug...
Zal Schreiber <ZalSchreiberEng@hotmail.com>
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TapeOpCon2007
“Of the dozen plus annual shows that I attend,
TapeOpCon is by far the best show of the year, one I look
forward to and enjoy.”
-Russ Berger, Russ Berger Design Group
“It’s like being on vacation with 500 of your friends!
Held at the Hilton El Conquistador Resort in Tucson, Arizona on June 8- Everywhere you turn there’s someone interesting to talk to
An ending... 10th this past month, the sixth annual and final TapeOpCon proved to be an
educational and entertaining event indeed. Advice, talent and brainstorming
sessions flowed through five main panels, 36 workshops, nine Pot Luck
about music and recording.”
-Maureen Droney, Producers & Engineers
Wing/The Recording Academy
Studio sessions and more. “TapeOpCon... what can I say? Relaxing, informative,
On Friday, Club Congress and The Rialto Theatre hosted a New Orleans benefit with Rebirth Brass Band, Mitch Easter and many others - good networking, lotsa fun... Work should be this good!” -
plus some good Creole food. Saturday morning’s “Classical Recording” workshop saw Linda Ronstadt dropping in to banter with her long time Francis Manzella, FM Design Ltd
collaborator George Massenburg! Saturday night brought a fantastic free concert by the pool, featuring Calexico, DeVotchKa and John
“TapeOpCon is a wonderful, kind of unnamable,
Vanderslice. Then O’Malley Jones and the James Brown revue (featuring Geoff Daking, Greg Gualteri (Pendulum Audio, Anamod) and Dave
indescribable thing. It’s not like any other thing that any of
Amels (Bomb Factory, Anamod)) performed Live at the Apollo 1962 in its entirety, playing their last note around 2 a.m., showing the kids how
us do. The faith and passion you see at TapeOpCon make
to play for nearly four hours. Truly a special event. After Sunday night’s “More Records that Made Me Want to Record” moderator Mark Rubel
Joan of Arc seem like Friedrich Nietzsche by comparison.
called up the legendary Les Paul and led us in a sing-a-long of “Happy Birthday”. Couldn’t be a better end than that!
For some reason we want to do it again and again.”
For the past six years, Tape Op Magazine has partnered with conference director Craig Schumacher to host TapeOpCon. This year’s event
-George Massenburg
was an amazing event but also the last of this run. This may seem like an odd choice of actions, as the event is always successful in attracting
some of the most creative and forward-thinking producers, engineers, musicians, exhibitors, sponsors and panelists around, and is a highly “It was encouraging to see so many people of all age
enjoyable time for all involved. Tape Op’s reasons for this change are complex. ranges and musical styles getting together after the
With my partner John Baccigaluppi we handle the constant editing, publishing and running of Tape Op Magazine, which this spring also apocalypse. This bodes well for the future of the music
launched a branch in London to handle publishing, UK/EU subscriptions and related advertising. We are also working on a series of books business.” -Sally Browder
compiling the back issues of our magazine. For over a year I have seen many changes in my own life. A personal move to southeast Arizona, “If a kid’s going to smoke pot, we may as well teach them
where my girlfriend and I purchased a home to renovate, led right into to a move for my studio (Jackpot! Recording) to a new building in how to roll the joint right.” -Garrett Haines on the
Portland, Oregon. I also began work as an archivist for the estate of Elliott Smith, a job I am just beginning to tackle in full and foresee taking Mastering in the Box workshop.
up a large amount of my time. What this leads to is a question of time and energy - what do I excel at and want to do on a daily basis?
“I think TapeOpCon serves a purpose far removed from
Given the monthly deadlines I already cope with, layering a year-long deadline for the conference on top of it was just more work than I
just gear or the technical, it gives us a sense of community
could handle or do to the best of my abilities. As I kept thinking about it - what did I really want to do with my time? - I decided that working
that would never otherwise exist if not for the hard work in
on Tape Op Magazine, owning a studio, making albums (which I haven’t been able to do in eight months) and working on Elliott’s archiving
planning and putting on such an event.” -Ross Hogarth
were enough recording-related tasks in my life. I decided that helping run and putting my magazine’s name on an event - even a successful,
enjoyable and positive event like TapeOpCon - isn’t something I have the time or drive to do anymore. “You just can’t beat talking about gain structure and
Six great years of TapeOpCon sit behind us. I hold many friendships that have been made at or reinforced through this venture dear distortion while in a hot tub.” -Hillary Johnson
to my heart, and have always been thankful for all the work everyone has put into this event. Given all the experience he initially “I met a lot of great people from all over who where
brought to the table and has gained over these last years, TapeOpCon director Craig Schumacher is now poised to bring a new-yet- happy as hell to be a part of the thing.” -Eric Ambel
familiar recording related event back to the city of New Orleans in summer 2008. Me? I’ll take a quick breather and then jump back in
“The TapeOpCon reminds me of the scene in Muppets In
and try to catch up with my own life! -Larry Crane
Space in which Gonzo the Great is reunited with his people,
...and a new beginning: other odd tufted beaked creatures - it’s a pleasure to gather
annually with our people (normally dispersed in caves), to
immerse ourselves in talking about music, recording and
their arcana for three days straight!” -Mark Rubel
After six great years it’s time to take this conference to the next level and to grow it and include more people and more voices in the audio
community. Next year we will return to New Orleans and do a similar conference, but with a new name. I am very passionate about bringing it “Only a legendary guitar hero like Pete Anderson could
back to New Orleans, a city which has been very good to us. Bringing the conference to New Orleans in 2004 and 2005 allowed us to expand set the state of digital recording back ten years with his
the conference content and the experience and was a good fit for our attendees, sponsors, exhibitors, and panelists. Post Hurricane Katrina, personal preference for older digital systems.”
New Orleans is still a great music city and is still a perfect site for this conference. Our government has abdicated its responsibility to New -Joe Chiccarelli
Orleans, and as a community of people who live for the music it’s on us to do what we can to help lift this great music city back up. Bringing “Irodeahorse,rodethewaterslide,touredBiosphere2,
our conference, our community and our business to New Orleans is one of the best things we can do. ate fabulous Ecuadorian food, and got a great massage...
Thanks to all of you who’ve attended, and for making this the best event in the audio community. Thanks to Larry and John for everything Recording, what’s that?!” -Steve Silverstein
they and their wonderful magazine has done - and for contributing to a vision of what a truly great audio conference could be. We look forward
to continuing our relationship with Tape Op Magazine as a cornerstone sponsor in this conference and we also look forward to adding other
“No superlative is adequate.” -Don Zientara
significant and relevant organizations in our audio community. I hope we see you all in New Orleans in 2008. -Craig Schumacher
John Vanderslice & Friends Calexico
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happening. So I got a Small Business Administration
Behind The Gear
This Issue’s Man of Wunder
SBA loan - this was during the Clinton Administration
- and it was probably the best thing I ever did. It’s a
government guaranteed loan. It’s hard to get a
Mike Castoro straight bank loan without collateral, but with the SBA
by Mike Jasper, photo by Max Cooper loan they looked at my last three years of tax forms
and they asked me what my five year projection was
going to be, so I projected very big. They gave me a
good-sized credit line and I went wild - I spent it all
in about a month. Because I loved microphones, I
bought way too many.
What kind of mics did you buy for Misty
Hill Audio?
Neumann U47s of course, along with CMV563s, RFT 7151
bottle mics, Schoeps, and AKGs. I actually blew more
Mike Castoro, the 43-year-old So are you approaching the GT as a new
money than I got from my SBA loan. It was about
owner and creator of Wunder mic entirely?
Audio, lives quietly with his $100,000 and I spent $116,000. I even dipped into
Exactly. We’re doing a new mic from scratch, so we don’t
wife and two kids in the my credit card. I wasn’t very frugal, so I sold some of
have to reverse engineer everything. On the GT, there’s
northern hills of Austin, Texas. the stuff and realized I could make a little profit by
probably two thirds the parts of the CM7. For example,
Originally from upstate New buying and selling vintage gear. So I started a business
York, he spent his junior high on the CM7, if you take off the grille, the capsule
called Misty Hill Audio where I did that consistently for
and high school years in travels with it - it’s connected. But if you take the
about six years. Eventually, I actually earned a huge
Florida, then moved to Austin grille off the GT, the capsule stays on the body of the
rack of vintage gear - Pultecs, Fairchilds, Studer tape
during the ’80s to attend the mic. Just that one part of the equation means the GT
University of Texas, where he machines and Neve boards. I guess I was pretty good
has a lot fewer parts and lower costs. Another example
earned a BA in recording at what I did, because I made a lot of contacts across
is that the connector on the bottom of the CM7 is a
engineering. Shortly after the country and overseas to find gear. The catch is you
U47-type Tuchel. On the GT we didn’t want to
graduation, he started Stardog have to know how to tech your own gear, which I was
Studio as a modest, 4-track compromise too much and use an XLR, we used a 3/4
able to do. I would buy U47s in any condition - I
cassette facility, and within a size Tuchel like you see on a U67 or an M269.
didn’t care if they worked or not, because I knew you’d
decade grew it to a 24-track Any other differences between the two
never find one that was perfect. I always said they
analog museum for vintage gear mics?
rife with Pultecs, Fairchilds, came in varying degrees of decay. As long as all the
Obviously, the heart of the GT is the glass tube, which is
Neve, Neumanns and at least a parts were there, if it wasn’t working, fine. I did lose
what GT stands for. We’re using a NOS Telefunken glass
half dozen Mellotrons - the money on deals a few times, especially when I started
tape-based keyboard popularized tube that basically replaced the VF and EF14 back in
trading on eBay. eBay killed many vintage broker
by The Beatles and the Moody 1960 when they went to glass tubes and stopped
careers, but fortunately I did most of this from 1997
Blues. After six years of making the metal tube. Since it has the glass housing,
to 2003, before eBay got so big - although I was
running a successful studio, he theoretically the microphonics should be a bit better
branched out and became a competing with eBay at the end.
than the metal, and I’m able to find a lot more really
vintage gear broker when he How did you get into making your
good quality tubes because I have thousands to
started a company called Misty own mics?
choose from. Tubes make the biggest difference
Hill Audio. In the late 1990s, I bought my first U47 in 1997, and it was in such bad
he started manufacturing his own sonically between the two mics. The EF14 has finer
condition that I wanted to make a new body for that
line of pro audio equipment detail (I think) than the glass tube and 3 dB more
mic. The grille was dented in and it looked like an old
under the Wunder Audio banner. output. So when you do a shootout between the two
rusted pipe. Surprisingly, it sounded pretty good, and
mics, they’re going to sound pretty identical if you set
when I took it apart I had visions of being able to mill
How is the CM7-GT mic different from and the mic pre to 3 dB more gain on the GT. The extra
the aluminum and reconstruct the mic again from
similar to the CM7 microphone? noise floor is equalized by the lower noise from the
scratch. In my mind, it didn’t seem like so tough an
Well, they’re similar especially if you order the GT with glass tube - the metal tubes tend to be noisier, even
ordeal - but it sure was. I figured if the U47 was made
the M7 capsule instead of the K47 capsule. The though they provide better detail. The other thing I
50 years ago, then there would be no reason it
capsule, the grille and the transformer are all going to noticed is that when I tried some loud, shouting type
couldn’t be done now. One of my uphill battles was
be identical. The main difference is the GT has no vocals the CM7 had a fuller sound than the GT, but
trying to get the right metal kit for the mic so I could
pattern switch on the chrome top grille like a U47 since I did one take, I don’t have a well-rounded
sell it for $5,000. Most of the metal workers were
would have - it’s on the power supply unit instead. So opinion of that yet. Time will tell. It’s basically the
telling me each metal kit would cost $5,000 itself. It
the cardioid is a perfect cardioid on the U47 or CM7, same circuit, although not point-to-point like the
took a long time to find a kit at a price point where it
but when you change patterns using a power supply CM7. One engineer thought that the difference
would be feasible to build a mic and sell it for $5,000.
there’s always variation plus or minus by a tiny between the CM7 and the GT was that vocals sounded
I talked to other manufacturers who wanted to do
percent. Still, the C12 and the M49 also change polar closer, more intimate on the CM7.
what I was doing, and they told me the target price
patterns from the power supply, and those are How did you go from musician/studio
would have to be $12 to $15,000 dollars.
certainly well-accepted mics. Also, the metal work on owner to pro audio manufacturer?
So initially you were interested in
the GT isn’t historically correct like it is in the CM7, I started Stardog Studio as a singer-songwriter looking to
repairing the U47s you already had,
where it’s as close as possible to an authentic U47. It record his own stuff. All I really had was a four-track
but then you took it a step further
comes from the same high quality metal shop, but it’s cassette recorder and a Realistic microphone. I
and decided to build your own?
made of different parts and a lot simpler. We don’t couldn’t afford better stuff, but I was well aware there
Right, except initially I only wanted to make ten of them.
have to replicate every tiny screw, piece of rubber and was better stuff out there. I always used to say that
I wanted to make a body to repair that first mic I
PVC in the U47. we would reinvest ten percent of the studio profit into owned, and then build nine more from scratch. In the
new gear, but after six years I realized that wasn’t
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first year, from 2003 to 2004, I only sold eight CM7s PEQ1s too. Right now you can only go to -18, and with
total. Even after the third year, I was selling less than the output pot on the PAFOUR, you’ll have a lot more
30 per year. It takes a long time to make up your flexibility for gain structuring, both input and output.
investment, but I didn’t care - I just wanted the mic so Why aren’t there more microphone repair
I could use it. And I always wanted parts for U47s. I’d techs?
think, “I wish I had a tube socket”, or “I wish I had a It’s a scary thing, and back in my early days of being a
bottom bell with a cable connector” or “I wish I had the studio owner I was frightened about a piece of gear
U47 grille.” And people were also buying parts from me, breaking. Fortunately I had a lot of contacts out of the
and still do so today. The parts I use for the CM7 you can UK who were some of the best recording console and
also use to replace parts in the U47 - they fit perfectly tape machine technicians in the world and I used to
on the original mic and there aren’t too many have them come over to my house for an extended stay
reproductions you can say that about. and teach me how to fix equipment. That went on pretty
You also make a CM12, which is patterned heavily from 1998 to 2000. We were doing stuff like
after the AKG C12, but we don’t hear joining two consoles together and recapping tape
much about that one. Why? machines. That was my apprenticeship, although I
The reason you don’t hear about it is for the same reason always repaired things even when I was a kid. I used to
the CM7 was flying under the radar for a few years. I don’t send my mics off to get repaired, and believe me, I
send that many mics out for review, and when a mic is in wasn’t always happy with the way they were repaired. I
what I call the pioneering period - when there are not guess by reverse engineering and disassembling things I
many sales happening - it’s hard to keep extra mics to got to know how they worked. I don’t think anybody
send out for review. The CM12s are about two years taught me how to fix mics; I just did it on my own. I
behind the CM7, and I only build up five at a time. That guess I’m from the school of mic repairmen who learned
said, a lot of people have them, and some people even by taking everything apart. With any piece of vintage
own pairs of them. They’re pretty much a dead ringer for gear I buy, I disassemble it all the way and reassemble
the C12. If you had the mic opened up next to an original it before I even turn it on. I don’t know if that’s a
C12, you’d never be able to tell the difference except for problem I have or not, but even if it’s a Mellotron or
the color of the capacitors. Hammond organ, I never plug it in before I take it apart.
You also manufacture the PEQ1, PEQ1R, What does the future of Wunder Audio
PAFOUR and the new Wunderbar. Are look like?
these different versions of the same I have about a half dozen full time people working for
preamp design? Wunder, and I have independent contractors who might
The PEQ1, 1R and PAFOUR are all the same preamp spend half a year’s time working for us, whether it’s a
design. Of course the PAFOUR doesn’t have EQ like the machinist, a mechanical engineer or electronic engineer.
others. They’re like a very vague replica of the old Those are basically the three kinds of workers we need
Allotrope modules. When I say vague, there’s about help from. The whole concept of Wunder Audio is to be a
eight years of work starting from the reproduction to boutique company, so growing into a large company goes
where we are now. We did change resister and capacitor against the grain. Some of the products are limited, such
values, and improved the slew rate from 5 volts per as the CM7. There are a finite number of EF14 tubes, and
microsecond to 22 volts per microsecond, so it’s a 44 there are a finite number of capsules that M7 expert
times faster slew rate. Siegfried Thiersch - who is now in his 70s - can make.
What’s the slew rate? We’ve got the [mixing] boards coming out, the
It’s just the rise time of the signal, and when it’s a lot Wunderbar, but we’re only going to make 20 per year for
quicker it sounds more natural and realistic on the high four or five years at the most. Everything that’s coming
end. That’s the difference between the PEQ1 and PEQ1 out in the future has been planned and prototyped, but
with the Revision A mod. With the PAFOUR we improved they aren’t out yet. One of them is a recreation of the
the output stage a little bit. We added a five watt power Western Electric mic pre. I have a 12-channel Western
amp right before it goes to the output transformer. What Electric board, which is the best tube mic pre I’ve ever
that does is it drives a low impedance load better, such heard. The replica will come out as a module for a board
as a vintage compressor that has transformer inputs. A and as a two-channel mic rack piece. Another component
lot of modern equipment will have a 10 K input is the Wunder Audio compressor, a solid state compressor
impedance, while old vintage stuff might have a 600- based on the PEQ1 topology. It’ll be like a Neve 2254, but
ohm impedance. The PEQ1 is now into a revision C. We with the Wunder transformers and amplifier stages. It’ll
added a discrete active HP filter, a much higher quality have faster attack and release times. Also, we’re coming
gain switch, a custom design that has three times the out with a small diaphragm tube microphone, kind of like
gold contact area on each switch position, and we’re a KM54. That’s going to be a really nice little mic and
replacing the push button switches with the light pipe should be out in 2008. We also have the M49 replica
switches that are found on the Wunderbar console. Even called the CM49 available in limited runs. It’s being
the enclosures will have improved metal work, with produced very slowly. Finally, there will be a one-channel
thicker faceplates and tack welding so everything’s version of the PAFOUR, and we’re also going to have a
beefier. The PC boards have been expanded from two- four band EQ coming out. If we were a large company
sided to four-sided. We’re going to have a radio with a lot of capital, I guess our products would be ready
frequency filter that can be added or not added with a in a month, but it’ll be another two years before
jumper. The Rev C is going to be the epitome of the PEQ1 everything is out. Everything will have its turn. r
and the PAFOUR. Also, the PAFOUR will have hi-pass
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filters and output pots, along with a lower input gain
that will work like a pad and go down to -24 dB, which
is a pretty good pad. We’ll be doing that last mod on the
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My first encounter with the sprawling collection of keyboards, pianos, In this control room you have a 24-
British-made guitar amplifiers and homemade walls that is Breakglass channel Ward-Beck broadcast
Studios happened when I had the opportunity to sit in on a session for the console, Studer 16-track and 2-track
band Shoot the Moon. I opened the door at the end of the hall in an reel-to-reels, Radar and Pro Tools.
otherwise nondescript building in Montreal’s Little Italy to find the studio’s What do you usually use for tracking?
tape library. Reels of 2-inch and quarter-inch tape sat in their boxes, with Jace: It depends how big the project is. Some bands
come in and want to limit themselves to the 16-track,
names like Islands, Besnard Lakes, and Sunset Rubdown written on the so I’ve mixed entire projects on the Ward-Beck using
spines. I made my way further in and opened the door to the control room, outboard gear. Other bands that are doing something
where the band was tracking vocals while Jace Lasek sat at the console. Lasek a little more complex will fill up the 16-track, and I’ll
and his business partner/co-engineer Dave Smith met in high school in dump it into the Radar. Some bands don’t care about
Regina, Saskatchewan. After school, they moved to the west coast before tape, so they’ll go straight to Radar, and then we can
realizing that if they wanted to have their own studio space, they would have mix in Pro Tools if they want. We want to make sure
to escape the high cost of living in Vancouver. They settled in Montreal in that we are always capable of doing whatever people
need. If it’s just a straight rock band with a couple of
late ’99. At the time, Montreal was at the tail end of a long recession, and
guitars and vocals then I can say, “Let’s do it on the
one could easily get by cheaply. Since then, they’ve worked on albums and 16-track and mix on the console.” For some of the
songs by the aforementioned bands, as well as Wolf Parade, Bell Orchestre more involved stuff, if they’re going to be adding
and Destroyer, among others. Along the way they have learned, often through violins and they want to build up 40 tracks of stuff,
trial and error, how to get the most out of their haphazard collection of we’re going to have to mix in Pro Tools, though I
recording gear, how to build walls and reflection-free zones and how to build know mixing on the console would probably result in
and mod their own gear. Most importantly, they have honed their abilities, a better product. If I can get the project down to 24
knowing as Jace puts it, “When to be invisible, and when to step up and tracks, get it back on the Radar with all the edits
done and then pass it through the console to the
provide support to the band.” This is their stated purpose: helping bands get
Studer 2-track, I will.
the most they can out of the studio environment.
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When JÈ Boyd’s book Wh⁄e Bicycles came out laÌ year, I was exc⁄ed. Not only could I finally read more about this amazing record producer/label owner/manager, but there
might be a chance to interview him for Tape Op. During JÈ’s WeÌ CoaÌ book tour we were able to Íend a lunch together at Portland’s Doug Fir Lounge, and I finally got
to mÕt the man who recorded some of my all-time favor⁄e records. From Pink Floyd’s firÌ single, “Arnold Layne”, Richard and Linda `ompson’s Shoot Out the Lights, R.E.M.’s
Fables of the ReconÌruÀion, moÌ of the Nick Drake catalog and early Fairport Convention, to some passionate and informed produÀion of world music albums, JÈ has helped
create, release and guarantÕ the (sometimes gradual) success of many artiÌs. In some ways you could look at JÈ’s carÕr as flying under the radar or hidden behind the scenes,
but even he has Úo slightly odd number one h⁄s, w⁄h “Dueling Banjos” Ïom the Deliverance soundtrack, and Maria Muldaur’s “Midnight at the Oasis”. Anyone w⁄h over 40
years in the music business is capable of losing his or her wonder of music, but w⁄h JÈ this is not the case. Yes, he’s Ìopped producing records and running a label, but w⁄h
Wh⁄e Bicycles he tells eloquent tales of his adventures in music through the ’60s and ’70s. W⁄h his next book he will take us on a journey through world music - and I’ll be wa⁄ing
patiently for this sure-to-be-fascinating tale.
The one thing that really struck me with Jones made her record on Pro Tools originally and kind of stuff, it was good to know beforehand what
the book is that everything that Blue Note said, “We don’t like it.” So they went into they had in mind - so you positioned the tracks right,
happens to you really comes from being the studio with Arif Mardin to redo it. They were right. so you could bounce things to non-adjacent tracks.
a fan of music. I think one of the It could’ve easily dropped like a stone, but that record You have to sort of plan ahead. We’d do something on
problems I’ve had with the music had that fantastic warmth and atmospherics to it that track one and we could then bounce it together with
industry lately is that it just feels like you can only get when you’ve got more than one something else on track three or four, and then come
too many people in it are just doing a microphone open in the space at the same time, so it back to two and then four.
job, not coming at it with a large record sounds three-dimensional. How did you end up finding Sound
collection and a passion for music. In your book you mentioned working Techniques and engineer John Wood?
That may be true with the major labels, but I think for with The Incredible String Band and Good luck. When I took up my place at Elektra, I think the
most people who work in the indie world, the rewards doing overdubs, having access to an first thing I did - aside from some recording outside of
are so limited and chancy that most people I’ve met 8-track, probably at that point. London - the first real session I did was that Eric
are pretty passionate about music. The first time it was four. Clapton thing [Eric Clapton and the Powerhouse].
That’s true. We’ll see what happens to You were taking a jump from two That was at Olympic [Studios]?
the major labels, anyway. different ways of working. Initially, I asked Bill Leader, who was this mentor friend of mine
I don’t remember saying it, but [in] one of the interviews what did you learn in that process? and folk producer. I said I had to do this rock session
I read I was welcoming the crisis in the music industry I don’t think there were generic lessons. Mistakes were with a drum kit and everything. He knew Keith Grant
saying, “The dinosaurs will slowly sink into the tar pits individual and specific. You try putting a harmony on at Olympic and he said, “Call Keith.” So I just called
and some of their cousins will turn into birds.” and it doesn’t work and you erase it and put up Keith and he said, “Sure.” That was falling on your
There have been periods where major something else on. You put a pennywhistle on feet to do your first session with Keith Grant because
labels worked fine, hand-in-hand something and Robin [Williamson] or Mike [Heron] he is a great engineer. Jac [Holzman, Elektra] wasn’t
with the music. Your book documents would say, “Oh that works.” It was in the air. [In] ’67, just putting out Judy Collins and Phil Ochs records -
a certain era that definitely made a lot Revolver was already out and the fact that The Beatles he built his label, in a way, on gimmicks.
of sense - Elektra wasn’t part of a major were working on Sgt. Pepper’s - and “Penny Lane” and What kind of gimmicks was he using?
label in the same way it is now. Two “Strawberry Fields…” came out. It was in the drinking The thing that enabled him to stop writing ad copy or
things that make themselves apparent water, those kinds of experiments. It was hugely fun whatever it was he was doing before was a series of
in the book are your early loves of jazz and it worked. They got it right away. records by Ed McCurdy called When Dalliance was in
and working with jazz musicians. In How did you feel your role changed as a Flower (and Maidens Lost Their Heads)– basically bawdy
my vision, that influenced the way record producer working in a songs. It was a guy with a Burl Ives kind of voice,
you recorded everything from then situation built more around adding strumming guitar going, “Hey ho, nonny, nonny, he
on. It became more about looking for and judging overdubs to a take? took the maiden into the green wood and turned her
a space and a performance and I didn’t think about it much. It was all whatever the upside down” - and it sold tons! It was huge. He had
capturing something. situation needed. If I was recording Chris McGregor’s this other idea that was probably okay - it was the signs
It’s not just jazz. Certainly, jazz in general has only really sextet - that was one job. Doing Nick Drake was a of the zodiac [as] a series of easy listening records.
successfully been recorded that way, unlike other forms completely different job because then you had to hire There was an American arranger who Jac would
of music. I don’t think there was a question of taking musicians to come in and join him. The Fairport commission every six months and he would put out
a practice that applied to jazz and trying to apply it to Convention - the recording process changes a lot sounds of Libra, you know - an instrumental record that
other things. I got through the mid-’60s until 4-track whether you have a drum kit or not. All the problems was supposed evoke Libras. In those days a lot of string
tape came in. That was the way all music was made. are different. With The [Incredible] String Band you players were much cheaper and better than now. You
That’s true. That kind of dictates had tremendous flexibility because there was no drum could get London Philharmonic players for twelve
the process. kit, so there’s a lot of sonic space - it’s open. A pounds for a two hour session. They were probably up
Les Paul did some tricks, but they were bouncing stuff back drummer playing a kit takes up a lot of space and if to eighty-five dollars in America. He always did his
and forth. That was an aberration rather than a practice. you put an overdub in, it has to assert itself. Whereas string sessions in Sound Techniques. Jac’s doing these
I guess now we take layering and Robin, on the first track of Hangman’s Beautiful sessions for the next three days and he was going to be
creating in that fashion for granted. Daughter [“Koeeoaddi There”] where he sings, at this studio, “Here’s the address, take down four
The “Wall of Sound” was live. He [Spector] had three “Skating on happy valley pond” – he came up with hundred pounds in cash to pay the musicians” - because
pianos in the studio. He had twelve guitars in the [an] idea. He just said, “I’d like to try this.” He had you had to pay the musicians in cash. I walked in and
studio. He had the girls in the vocal booth live. little finger cymbals and he just rubbed them and it I liked the feel of the place and I met John. I think I
What I responded to was you talking sounds like a skate on ice, or you surmise skates on had to come down the next day again and there was a
about looking for recording spaces ice. He just went downstairs and John [Wood] set up break and everybody was getting their money and
and how that creates part of the all the microphones. I think there was a track that counting it out and getting cups of tea and I started
environment, and making sure had something on it from a previous verse, and he’s talking to John. By that time I had decided I was going
something happened on the floor. going to have to put something else on it the next to do a session and I was thinking I might do it in Bill
That is one of the problems I have with a lot of verse. So we did part of that then did “shhh shh Leader’s kitchen [where many folk records were done],
contemporary recording. You don’t feel like it is taking shhh” [sound of the finger cymbals] and put echo but I already had a few misgivings. I loved Bill and I
place in a room. It’s taking place in cyberspace or in onto the mix - they just really enjoyed the process. loved what he did, but I wanted to set the record that
an electronic environment - close mic’ing in a dead My role was to tell them, “Look, you can do this. I was going to do apart. The kind of recording he did –
space. If you want atmosphere, you dial it up. I keep Think of an instrument to put on to add to this tune” they were wonderful recordings, but sonically they were
quoting these two examples, but I think they’re good or whatever. If Robin would say, “I want to put on a little flat. I was sort of in the background thinking,
examples: Buena Vista Social Club and Norah Jones – four layers of this instrument”, I would say, “Well, I “What am I going to do? I don’t want to hurt Bill’s
they really sound as though they’ve been made in a don’t think it would sound so good.” We would have feelings.” I mentioned it to John Wood. “Would you
space. I don’t personally think they would’ve been to bounce it back and forth. There were also logistical ever think of doing this record with fiddle and guitar?”
that successful if they hadn’t sounded like that. Norah things like, once you learned it and started doing this and John said, “Yeah, great, sure! Come on down.” He
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gave me good rates and I liked going there - it sounded I had a horror of that. Sometimes musicians would say, want to cut it off and have bird songs going into
good. The next thing was the Incredible String Band’s “Let’s put a phased guitar panning from right to this next track.” It’s an absolute – you can tell it’s a
first record. John had never heard any of this stuff left.” That kind of shit. There may be something on scissors [cut]. It’s not musical. It’s technical and I
before. He was a classical guy - he loved violin concertos The Incredible String Band – there was one thing hate it. I said, “No, no, no. We can’t do this.” They
and things like that - and we’re playing things like this where they wanted the voice to go left to right very said, “Yes, yes, yes, we must do this. This is the
and he was like, “Wow. Let’s try putting the mic here. slowly. The one argument like that that I lost, which concept. This is what we want to do.” In the end, I
Let’s try this kind of a mic.” It just grew from there. He I really regret that still drives me nuts when I hear always felt that for artists’ records, I can argue a lot
learned a lot about this music from me and I learned it - I tried to look for the tape to see if I could undo and I would often fight against things, but at the
about recording and sound from him. it - was Wee Tam and The Big Huge, an Incredible end of the day I couldn’t convince an artist that this
I like your description of your working String Band record has a track that I love – it used was [the way]. I might say, “Do it my way and if it
methods with John and overlapping a to be their closing track in their concerts called doesn’t work, we’ll try it your way.” Sometimes,
little bit in the production areas. He “Maya”, and they end with this coda sort of flourish every once in a while there were situations where an
would not feel timid to say something and it all grinds to a halt. Mike plays sitar. It’s a artist would say, “I’ve heard it your way and I still
nor you vice-versa. It’s hard to rousing chorus. It’s great and you hear it either once want to do it my way.” That was one of them. It still
develop that sometimes. Someone or twice – I can’t remember if there’s one or two drives me nuts. I can’t stand to listen to it.
thinks, “Well, I’m just the engineer. verses, but you hear it at least once, if not twice all What would you have decided, to go
If they’re only asking me to be the the way through and then the third verse, as it’s just naturally where the music was going?
engineer, I’m not going to say getting to that climax, they said, “Okay, now we Yeah - where it ends in a live show.
something.” Was it just a rare
combination of personalities?
Yes. John is a distinct personality and I think he has
always been. I think it was fortunate for him that he
found me just as much as it was that I found him,
because I think that he probably was not the best front
foot forward for the studio. He’s a grumpy,
curmudgeonly guy who does speak his mind. He was
used to doing typical commercial stuff that wasn’t very
interesting and he’d keep his mouth shut. He was not
one to suffer fools gladly. If he had an idiot producer, `at is one of the problems I have w⁄h a lot of
he’d probably make them feel like they don’t want to
come back - and to be fair, over the years there have
contemporary recording. You don’t fÕl like ⁄ is
been times when he and I have gone our separate ways taking place in a room. It’s taking place in
when we have disagreed about stuff and it wasn’t cyberÍace or in an eleÀronic environment...
shrugged off easily. He got out of the business, but he’s
now getting back in a little bit. Jerry Boys came to work
at a certain point, at ’68 or ’69 at Sound Techniques,
and I was booking so much time. I was block booking
– just give me this week and the next week, and then
Thursday and Friday I’ll be away for four days and then
I’ll book more time. John was part of that so he said,
“I’m not doing all of this stuff.” He would take certain
projects and say, “I’m doing these, but you could do this
with Victor Gann, Jerry Boys or Roger [Mayer].” By that
time we had three other engineers working there. I
think Jerry is in a way temperamental and perfect and
I think that John as a recording engineer might have
done some things that were more original – but you
couldn’t really choose between them. They were both
great recording engineers.
Did you have different interactions
with Jerry?
Jerry is more prepared to shut up, but I never asked him
to. I always asked his opinion. He was a little more,
“What do you want? I’ll get it for you.” Jerry as a
mixing engineer is fantastic. That’s a real strength of Photos from Joe’s book
his. John, too – I got spoiled working with Jerry. Now reading at Time Tested Books
I feel like the ideal thing would be to go make a in Sacramento, CA,
record with John and then take it in to mix with Jerry. March 19, 2007
You talk a little bit in the book about
the lack of sixties trappings on the
recordings, like clichéd overuses
of things. Was that a conscious
decision at the time?
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Bob Power is one of those names you might know not from reading liner notes, but instead from listening I don’t think it is something that people set out to do,
to vocal ad-libs on records he’s produced or engineered. In the mid-eighties, Power found himself engineering
but an interesting byproduct of loop-based stuff is it’s
at Calliope Studios in NYC, home to many groups that were part of what he calls the second wave of hip-hop.
all in the rub of different people’s time feels working
Bands like Stetsasonic, The Jungle Brothers, Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul went to Power to track and mix
at the same time. I’ve been playing funk music since
records loaded with samples, heavy bass tones and enormous 808 kick drums. By the nineties, he was producing
the late sixties, and in the mid- to late eighties when
records with D’Angelo, Erykah Badu, Me’shell Ndegecello and others at the center of modern soul music. The
MIDI and quantizing were in, things got tight, but not
new millennium has seen him mixing or producing with The Roots, India.Arie, Ozomatli, and more recently the
that funky. Then I started listening back to my
Seattle-based rock band Maktub and singer-songwriter Andrea Wittgens. His is a career that has required an
favorite records - Curtis Mayfield is a perfect example
openness to innovative recording strategies, new technology and most importantly, groundbreaking music. As
preparation for this career, Power cites his experiences as a guitar player on the midwestern soul circuit as much
- the shit is all over the place! Bongo Eddie plays
as his two university degrees in music. Today, Power is a self-proclaimed “gear junkie” who remains as open
percussion on a lot of Curtis Mayfield’s stuff, and I
have a joke with a lot of my musician friends that it
to new recording strategies and technologies as ever. Every time we talk, he mentions a new piece of gear that
sounds like he is playing in the next room. Then I
he’s excited about trying, or a new technique he’s discovered. However, one soon gets the sense that a spiritual
realized that the funk is really in the rub, and if you
compass guides his work as much as anything else, and that vibe truly is everything when it comes to making
listen to hip-hop stuff, that’s when it’s cool. If you
records with him. We hung out in his Manhattan studio and talked about everything from karma to kilohertz.
take a loop that is against something else and you
What changed production-wise between circuit. Other than the fact that hip-hop was a
recycle or beat slice it and make it perfectly in time,
the first and second wave of hip-hop? massive paradigm shift, or reflected a paradigm shift
it totally loses the flavor.
The really big difference between the first and second in the art forms of the black community, it was all
the same thing to me. Unfortunately to this day
In the past there have been two
wave of hip-hop, for me, is the use of samples. One
engineering is kind of a white male boys club - and
humans, or the accident of two loops.
of the reasons A Tribe Called Quest was so amazing is
was very much so back then. For a lot of those guys,
Do you think we can now program
that it was the first time samples were used in a really
kids would come in dressed in what the engineers
these vibes in there?
elaborate musical construction - particularly the
That’s a good question. I only use stuff like beat slicing
second album, Low End Theory. That was [Q-]Tip and thought were funny clothes, smoking weed, sluggin’
when I really have to. Usually the only things that
Ali [Shaheed Muhammad]’s real genius. It’s an 40s. I mean, you have to understand that a kid
really line up pretty well are kicks and snares. That can
interesting point because the constructions, if you comes from a certain environment, a tough
be kind of dodgy, still. Occasionally there is one hit in
listen to Low End Theory musically, are very complex. environment, and walks into a nice recording studio
the midst of a four bar loop that’s off, and I’ll do some
If you had good session players sit down and play where everybody pads around in expensive shoes.
time stretching in front of it or actually cut and paste
that, it wouldn’t sound the same because part of the You’ve got to realize where people come from and
that snare, but for the most part I love the rub. That’s
cool thing about samples in hip-hop is that they sort of give them a little room to reflect that without
what makes it really interesting. Again, how much is
weren’t meant to go together. As a guitar player, I saying, “What the fuck is wrong with these people?”
too much is up to one’s judgment. Perfect records are
would play on a new track without monitoring the old People would walk in with turntables and the
boring. Knowing how to keep the good mistakes is the
one, and it didn’t sound right. I soon realized, “Oh engineer would say, “Well, what do you want to do?”
fine line of production that we are always walking no
right, I’ve got to play to the old track to get it to The artist would say, “We are going to put the track
matter how many records we do.
sound right.” Another thing about sampling is that a down this way.” The engineer would say, “Don’t you
want to lock to time code?” “Time code? What do you
This gets tied into vibe. What are some of
hook can be a sound, and that’s really cool. So, I
mean, man?” I think in a weird way there was
the things that you actually do as a
think the palette has gotten so much larger and more
perhaps an undertone of unconscious racism there on
producer to help create and
varied on every level. Stetsasonic were right on the
the part of a lot of engineers. When people walk in
maintain the vibe?
end of the first wave, and Daddy-O and Prince Paul
I am a slave to the song. When artists ask, “What’s your
were visionaries, though they kind of got lost in the the door, you have to say, “Hey what are you doing
approach?” I say, “My approach is always whatever
shuffle at that point. Their second record [In Full and what do you need?” I find that if you focus and
the song wants to be.” So, it really depends on the
Gear] was a brilliant sample-based record. work at getting your humanist values in the right
song as to what elements you think would be most
Do you see any technology since place, everything else will fall into place.
effective at pulling forth the vibe of that particular
sampling that has affected the sound You use loops in a lot of your stuff.
song. If a song does not start taking on a life of its
of music as much? Sometimes they can be heard, but
own at a certain point, and doesn’t start telling you
I consider sampling as part of MIDI, and that to me was not always.
what to do as opposed to you telling it what to do -
really part of the same revolution. Between the late I often have a bunch of little things happening, and if
it’s not happening. It’s a weird thing to say, but
seventies and mid-eighties, it was a really big you listen sometimes you hear them and say, “Oh
everybody who makes records knows what I am
change. I was actually scoring for TV at the time, and cool, there is a loop happening there.” Much of the
talking about. If the song comes out exactly the way
I was working for a more traditional, old-school time, even on rock records, there is a lot of stuff in
you had it in your head it’s going to be boring. There
musician who would write charts. With MIDI a lot of there that you don’t hear that is really more of a feel
is that wonderful, wonderful point where the song
guys from that school fell by the wayside. A lot of thing. One of my theories about record making in
takes on a life of its own and it’s great.
engineers said, “That’s not music,” because the shit general is that if the track is rhythmically buoyant, or
sort of interesting enough, then you don’t have to sell
So what kind of things can you do to get
may have sounded super primitive around that time
the song so hard. One of the problems with badly
to that point?
- especially to those guys who were used to sitting
No matter what happened at home when you left that
behind the console for years. The same arranger produced music and demos that come in is the time
morning, no matter how bad the subway was, no matter
would set down the charts and count it off. The is not compelling. Even if it is somebody playing an
how pissed you are with the record company, you put
engineers would put up the same mics in the same acoustic guitar and singing, it’s got to have this thing
the headphones on and you are on mic, as a singer for
way. I’m not saying it was lazy, but it was sort of to it. You are immediately drawn into it, and you can
example, and you must get into that world in the music
complacent. When MIDI came out a lot of these guys really listen to what is going on.
and not worry that the lights are too bright and stuff
said, “This isn’t music!” and they have been selling With loops and sample-based hip-
like that. I do everything I can to make the person as
insurance for the last thirty years. The same thing hop, where you are using loops
comfortable as they can be. Interestingly, there’s a way
happened when hip-hop first came into New York against each other, are you trying
to read a chart and do that at the same time. Another
City studios. I had played, oddly, in black bands in to find the buoyancy in the
thing on the engineering tip which I think is really key
high school and as an undergrad on the soul band interaction of those elements?
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- and this is something that a lot of assistants don’t Is he working on the drums strictly, or is becoming a better in-the-box mixer about two years
understand - is that when someone comes in to work, he also mic’ing it up? ago. I am fascinated by the fact that every time I do
especially an MC or singer, they should be able to walk No, he’s just working on the drums. Occasionally he’ll what is fundamentally an in-the-box mix, I’m still
up to the microphone, make a couple of noises and you have other stuff to say, which is actually really handy. learning something new. Funny too, it wasn’t really a
should press record. Go! There is no reason not to have There is another guy, Gregg Keplinger - a sort of survival thing. I feel that if you make fundamental
a mic and signal processing chain all up and working. legendary guy that I worked with in Seattle a couple changes to what you love based on making money, it
Not letting the technology get in the way is a giant of years ago - who was really amazing and apparently fucks everything up. You have to really have a passion
thing. The whole point is to make the tweaking process did a lot of the big Seattle records. I did a rock band for the thing and then everything else falls into place.
as transparent as possible when you are trying to be called Maktub out there a couple of years ago - great I took the challenge of being a better in-the-box mixer
creative. One of the things I try to do when I write or band with a really great drummer. Greg was the kind much like I looked at MIDI and said, “Wow, all the guys
produce is to make a concerted effort not to “fix the hi- of guy where you would be in the control room and who said this isn’t music, look what they missed!” So,
hat”, meaning don’t get hung up on the small details. he’d hit something and you’d say, “The snare sounds I do about half of my work at my place now. My room
For better or worse I am a very detail-oriented a little baskety, it’s a little hollow and big, but happens to be terrifically accurate the way I have it set
practitioner. But you have to know when to put your definitely hollow.” He’d say, “Oh, okay” and he would up. I cheat a little, since I have a really high-end, two-
blinders on and when to concentrate on the things that go “urt” and turn one thing a tiny bit and all of a mix bus that I go out through – a lot of Pendulum
are most important to whatever stage of the process sudden it was right there. Whereas guys who are not stuff, API, GML, Tube-Tech - really nice stuff. I can
you are working in. That’s where a lot of not-so- necessarily masters, they’ll be “urt… urt… urt… Let really mix and match on the two-bus the way I want
experienced engineers fall down, because they are like, me get some tape.” to. That said, we’re at the point now that when I port
“Oh wait, I gotta move this...” It’s important to not give And it changes too much. those mixes completely in the box, it compares quite
up - you always have to got to be trying to make it a And it takes forever. A master usually looks at it and well. With digital EQ, I find because of the lessened
little bit better, while at the same time, you also have says, “That will do it.” phase shift issues, you’ve got to throw the faders
to know that there are certain stages of the process
It seems we are in an era where more around a lot more than you do with analog EQ. I work
where you have to get going quickly and then shut the
people are off consoles and are on something in the box, and I find that I’m often +8
fuck up. mixing and matching mic pres, EQs or -10 on things, where if I did that with an analog EQ
So a tech day could be really be and compressors. it would totally suck the life out if it. I also find that
construed as getting the vibe for the I think we are in a golden age of professional audio right digital seems much less forgiving in terms of the
next recording project. now. A second golden age, because people are making timbral anomalies between the different ranges of
With rhythm tracks - if I have money, time and we are emulations of the old stuff that actually works better. someone’s voice and their proximity to the microphone.
going to do a couple of days of rhythm tracks - the Anybody who has ever owned Neves knows what I’m We know about slew rates and tape compression, so
first day is just a setup day. That is great because you talking about – it’s usually switches and caps. One of that’s an obvious reason why analog would smooth it
don’t have the guitar player sitting around for three the reasons I like modern microphones that are built on out a little bit. But for some it’s an intangible. I find
hours while you doing the drums and then have to go older principles is that they sound the same every day. myself doing a lot more automated EQ on mixes than I
in and be inspired. Sometimes I’ll say, “If you go out I like to be able to mix and match my signal chain from ever would have thought I would have done, and I
for dinner and want to come back around nine and the microphone all the way up to what the media is, think, “Wow, what did you do in the old days?” It just
see what’s going on, if you guys feel like playing, we something that is optimized for what I am recording. didn’t seem to sound that weird at different places. On
will probably be good by then.” The players will love On a very large level, if I can afford it and I’m doing a the other side of the coin, there were records in the
you more for it because it means that you are taking rock band, we cut the rhythm tracks to analog tape, analog era where I did automate like that. For example,
care with how they come off on the record. I’ve never then the poor assistant spends a day transferring, and I mixed a Chaka Khan album - it was just so incredibly
found anybody who wasn’t happy that I was taking a we finish the record in the box. I think that’s thrilling to throw up the fader and hear that. There is
lot of time to make them sound as good as possible. something that all the geeks who are going to be almost no singer with a greater dynamic range or pitch
Again, if you approach that from a humanist level, all reading this magazine, including myself, will hear. That range in the business. But it kind of worked against us
the other things fall into place. and the giant differences of mic pres. I am often asked, for a minute, because when she sang low and breathy
But they know that is just a day to get “I’m setting up a studio for myself, what should I do?” she would really come in on the mic. When she sings
sounds, so the pressure is off a little bit. Get a really great mic pre. It makes more of a difference really high and screams – it’s almost like a muted
Right. Now if I have session people coming in, I don’t than the microphone itself. I’ve done things with a trumpet, it’s got that edge at 4 kHz that sounds like
have that luxury. You really have to go for it and get good pre and a [SM]57 that just sound fabulous. In the paper ripping – she would pull back. So, the proximity
it quickly. There is a way, with an assistant, to modern context it’s a little dark, but you can always effect on low end was exactly the opposite of what you
actually have most of the drum kit going before the deal with that - you can always open it up. I’ve been need to happen. It was fascinating. So, we actually had
guy starts playing. When the drummer comes in and a Neve guy for years. I have twenty-four channels of her coming back on five or six different faders with
sits down, obviously your levels are going to change, Neve in racks of eight. I mean it’s nuts, but over the totally different signal chains, and we automated that.
the placements are going to change a little, but you years I just collected it to that point. And when I go That’s a luxury. But my thing is I don’t care how you
should pretty much know what mics you are going to to a room that might not have that stuff, I bring the get there. It’s the old Duke Ellington thing: “If it
use and they should be set, there should be signal stuff with me. Also, I have been totally loving APIs sounds good, it is good.” There are certain practices
flowing, and you should know if there is any part of lately. I have a couple that are racked up, and I love to that we should follow because we know that most of
the kit that is going to be a technical problem. I use be able to track with APIs. There is just something the time it will make a positive difference. But for the
drum techs - and again, that is another expense that about the speed and the punch, and it’s not flavorless most part, if it sounds good, it’s great.
most people don’t usually have the luxury for - but by any means. I love to mix and match gear when I am Are you summing in the box?
I’ve learned a lot from them. There is a guy called recording - it’s actually really important. On the mix I am summing in my [Yamaha] 02R96. At this point it is
Mike Burns whom I have known since he was 18 years end, however, any pro mixer who tells you that they are more like a giant mouse than anything else. As time
old – he’s in his thirties now – and he works with not drifting more and more towards plug-ins and less goes on I use less and less from the 02R96 for several
[Steve] Gadd and Paul Simon… he’s been with and less toward analog inserts is lying. Even the analog reasons. Number one, recall is easier if everything is
everybody. Every time I’ve had him set up the kit it stalwarts are understanding that, for the ease of recall at unity and I just have to recall my outboard stuff.
sounds great real fast. Period. and changes, man it’s great! I picked up the mantle of Number two, what I do now when I mix on an SSL is
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spend a half a day to a day here on each song, getting That’s the wonderful, incredibly complex matrix of being So when you say you do it to a particular
it to sound as good as I can without any outboard, sonic practitioners of music, because music is song, are there certain songs where
then we take it up to the big room, split it out onto constantly changing people’s decisions about what you use one signal chain and others
the faders, and four hours later it is phenomenal. instruments to use with what tonal coloration, what where you would use a totally
Compared to where we came from with Pro Tools and kind of part it is going to play - and it really boils down different signal chain on the same
digital audio, I think Digi has been doing a to what’s best for the song. As a producer you always record? Or are you using the same
tremendous job both operationally and sonically - HD have to say, “What does the song want to do, what is chain for the same color?
sounds quite good. There are still issues. I have more going to represent this song sung by this artist as best One of the big, big things about mastering is pulling the
of an issue with getting the spatial things happening we can?” So, if you have one part of a record that’s record together as a whole. It’s a giant thing now. The
when mixing in the box than anything else - recorded on an answering machine and another part of line is a very interesting one, because you don’t want
particularly front-to-rear combined with side-to-side. a record that’s the London Symphony Orchestra, fine. If everything sounding the same, but you don’t want it
You can have stuff going out, kind of forty-five the songs want that thing, then it’s your responsibility sounding too different. It seems that if I think I want
degrees left or right, and then you can have stuff to pull that together. What’s on tape (and I use that to use all the same things it doesn’t sound right. It
that’s panned really hard at ninety degrees, but I have term all the time even though it’s “what’s on DAW”) has just never works out that way.
trouble getting things in between those spaces. such a giant bearing on how a mix will sound. Most Are you ever fighting yourself between
Spatially, mixing in the box is challenging and I think people sort of have a way they approach things that your two-bus stem processing from
everybody will say the same thing. That said, I love will tilt it one direction or the other. There are certain mixing and when you go back and
the challenge. It’s not like every time I went up to a producers with whom I always feel like it’s a good are mastering the whole track? Do
J or K room that it was perfect or imperfect, but the marriage when I mix. Jay Dee, the hip-hop producer you use the same chains?
challenges are very, very different. I do love being who passed away recently, is a perfect example. He was It’s a different chain, and no, I’ve been very lucky with
able to get a mix pretty far here and then take it up really good at distributing his low end, his kick and his that. I know you are not supposed to master your own
to an SSL room and finish it off. That’s great because bass. People don’t pay enough attention to tuning stuff for a bunch of reasons. But I have to say that
by the time you get to the big room, you’re not gating drum samples, much less drums, but his kick and his the stuff of my own that I have mixed and mastered
the kick drum at $2,000 a day. Psychologically it’s a bass were always well delineated and he had a real sounds better than anything else I’ve done. I am not
big deal as well. innate sense for where to place things in the sonic saying I am a great mastering engineer, nor am I
Do you stem out the individual tracks spectrum. Not so much with EQ, but just with the saying these other people are not – quite the contrary
and sum with the SSL? fundamental timbre, the instrument and the range it - we all know and appreciate many incredible
Yeah, I’ve started working at unity where I leave the was playing in. It’s an old adage amongst engineers: “A mastering engineers. But, it just worked.
faders flat and split out into stereo pairs, and I have a great mix is a great arrangement.” I think that What do you see as the difference
way of organizing my stuff so that when I take it up to everybody who mixes will say exactly the same thing. between two-bus processing on a mix
an analog desk and put the faders flat, it’s exactly the You’ve been mastering your own and mastering?
same. It’s really, really great. At first, I started using work more and more, and now for Modern records, for the most part, are so aggressive EQ-
faders on my desk and some EQ from the 02R96, but I others. Why? wise, and to a certain degree compression-wise, that
realized that unless I really had to, it was less flexible. I’m going to take a lot of heat for saying this, but frankly I wouldn’t want to commit to that much at one stage
Are you doing much analog processing I’m tired of going back five times, which is mostly a of the process. I generally don’t limit a mix when I am
during your preparation before factor of the loudness wars. I have all this great gear, printing it. I will compress it, but in a way that it
going to the big room, before hitting and I know what I want it to sound like, so I just makes the music sound better - the same thing with
an SSL? Will you go out to one of your finally said to myself that I should go ahead and start EQs, and a part of it is twice sounds a lot better than
EQs or compressors and come back in? mastering my own stuff. From that, I’ve started to once, just because of the way EQ curves work.
Well, yeah. If I have program EQ on stuff, I replicate it master for select outside clients. Interestingly, you can do some two-bus processing on
up there and use that as a point of departure. You’ve said you work hard to get things mixes that actually sounds really good, and you go,
So you use the same analog pieces there, loud, but not squished. What do you “Gee, it makes it sound great.” Then you master it,
rather than print it? do to achieve that? whether it’s you or somebody else, and then you
Right, and some of my stuff travels with me. I try to keep That’s sort of my quest - lots of creative limiting and listen to the unmastered mixes and they sound like
my recall written simply in the track’s comments box. compression. But when I say “creative”, I mean you there’s Kleenex over your head. I think everybody
But every studio has a GML EQ and Tube-Techs. The really have to work. That’s my feeling about it. I don’t goes through this, which is an interesting sort of
API and Pendulum compressors I either bring or I can think there’s one method. It’s like anything: you try this, psycho-sonic thing. There are certain tools - for
rent. It’s funny, I am just thinking about all the pieces you try that. You see what works best. So it’s just sort of example multiband compressors where you can solo
of gear I am mentioning, and I hope this comes looking for the right piece for that particular song. There the different bands. But if you’re not careful, you can
across: everybody is going to have a different thing to are negative artifacts of limiting that you just try to lose your reference point. If you solo a high frequency
say about a different piece of gear. Some people are minimize - distortion, particularity on the release. Also, band, say from 6 kHz on up, or mute the other bands
going to say, “I can’t believe that he likes the API if you limit badly it will take away all the pop, because and that’s all you listen to for a second, just to kind
2500 Bus Compressor. Man, the SSL kicks the shit out you are taking the attack transients out. It’s funny of find something in there, when you open up the
of it!” It just really depends on who you are, how you because I am hedging a lot about it, because there are track again, everything sounds horribly dull. So you
do things and how things are working that day. Music all sorts of different things that I do. In fact, some of gotta watch doing things like that. On the other
is a moving target sonically. It’s never the same twice! what I do crunches the front end of the A to D, but if I hand, I like the fact that you can solo the different
That’s one of the things that I love about it. can hear it in a crunchy way, then it’s not cool. There are bands and say, “Okay, this is where I need to be
How much of that tallness in your also things you can do in your compiler - you can limit working.” I find that I need to take ear breaks every
sound is you, and how much of that is again in whatever you use for your CD compiling. I find once and a while, just for two minutes and then come
the history of your mixing and that hitting it hard on the way into the A-to-Ds sounds back and pick up again. So, it’s a matter of degree. I
producing, whom you have worked different than tuning it up in the compiler. It’s a different try not to do anything too radical on the two-bus,
with and the kind of sounds you have thing. The latter is somewhat less objectionable to a either during mixing or mastering. Mastering is
been recording? point and then it goes, “Ccaakkk.” usually fine-tuning a second time.
Kamenitzer While I was doing all this computing, great sound and
listening to music had become my hobby. In this
room [now the Sonicraft studio] were a pair of Urei
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