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THE MAGISTRATE
rOR THE
COURT
COUNTY
OE
COBB
GEORG ] A
2
3
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5
STATE OF GEORGIA
15-W-10338
VS.
SUSAN JANETTE
MCCOY
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BOND REVOCAT I
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ON
HEARING
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MARCH, 2015.
IN
THE ABOVE-STYLED
PHILIP
CASE, HELD
P. TAYLOR, ON THE 17
TH
DAY OE
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15
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AP PEARAIICE
OF
COUI.]SEL:
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SHARLA JACKSON
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MADDOX
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G.
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ROBERT
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COURT REPORTER
P.
O.
HALVORSON
BOX 1559
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1'ia) 528-8931
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WITNESS INDEX
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CROSS:
RED]RECT:
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KILGORE
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JACKSON
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JACKSON
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MS.
JACKSON
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DIRECT:
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PAUL CAMARILLO
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JACKSON
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EURTHER REDIRECT:
MS.
JACKSON
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MS.
JACKSON
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MR. KILCORE
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BETSY MANSTON
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WlTI',]ESS II']DEX
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JACKS ON
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MATTHEW I.]ORMAN
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MS. JACKSON:
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COPY OF THE
STATE'S PETIT]ON?
MS. JACKSON:
(BRIEE
PAUSE
AM READING
IT
NOl/.].
OKAY.
CCURTROOi,i.
IS
IS A PETITION TO
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WARRANT NUMBER
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15
IS
GOING TO BE
A WITNESS IN TH]S
CASE?
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1.7
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HAVE
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NF]ED YOU.
MS.
25
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IS
JACI'{SOII
V,]1TI']ESSES,
ME
ViE'
LL CALL
YOU }.JHE}I
WE
THE
BACKGROUND.
TH]S CASE IN
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J
WE DON'T
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THE COURT:
THIS CASE. IT
YOUR RECORD __
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THE COURT:
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t OUNDAT]ONAL
-- IF
HEAF.IIJGS IN
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STUFE __
--
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THE COURT:
1-s
--
YOU'RE WELCOME
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RF]TALIATION EOR HER BE]ING ANGRY ABOUT THIS BEING DOIIE/ THE
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IT
IN
WAS DONE
IN
RETAL]AT]ON
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THE
!.i]LL
PF,OVE
AT TRIAL,
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GENERAL,
IS
THAT
AND
THE
TT1E ATTORNEY
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HlS
-)
GETT]t.JG
IS
TANGENT]ALLY INVOLVED
CHILDREI.I AS
RESULT OF
-_
SHE
TJP
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TAKES PLACE
IN
ACTUALLY
IN
PRIVATE CITIZEI'I
HE'S
COBB COUNTY.
SHE 1S ACCUSED OE
-_
CHARCTED I,/ITH
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H]S FAM]LY.
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TARGET PRACTICE
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HARM TO HI}1.
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HIM,
SOME
HIII
OR
_-
IN
b]HICH HE TOOK TC
HiM,
ORDER
MEAN
OR DO BODILY
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ASKED NOT TO
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COMMUI..]I
FAR]S, OR ANY OF
EMA]L.
THE
SHE EMAILED
TO
)
')
FACT WHICII
C]NE OT THE
TIlIS
IS
KNOWI'I
INITIAL
TO THE DEFENDANT,
REC]PIENTS TO TH]S
AI.J
D HE WAS ALSO
__ TO THIS _-
OT
COMMUTJICATION.
_- TO
TAKING.
HOI,{EVER, ON
-_ AS OE LAST
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WITNESS
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TWENTY_S1XTH,
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HII'1.
AT
AT
THE OTHER
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IS
-- LAST F'R]DAY.
_- IN ADDITION TO THE
E'OR
COMMU}JICATIONS, THE
EVALUATED
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S]'ATE' S BEL]
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IS
2l
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EEBRUARY
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]N
REA'IMEN'I
WE
].ISTED
SI]ATE
NOT
IS
CALLIT]G HINI AS A
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21
OF
EF,
__ IT'S
HAS
THE
STII,L DON'T
KNOVI
THE EEFECT
__
THE OUTCOME OF
IN A
IS
__
BECAUSE OE THIS,
THE DEEENDANT
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7
-- INJURE
IS
DANGEROUS ACTS
__ ]
DON,T
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11
PETITION. ]'M
JUDGE.
TO REVOKE
BOND
IS A
FOUR
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PARAGRAPH
l3
14
__ ]F'
15
HER BOND.
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WHAT
IS
ALLEGED
IS TRUE,
]E YCU'LL NOTICE,
SHE
THEY ALLEGE
IS
NOT
IN
IN
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MICHAEL PARIS.
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VTOLATION OF
NUMBER EIGHT,
IN THIS CASE,
2t
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).3
a,t
i,{ORKPLACE OR SCHOOL.
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THE DEEENDANT
IS TO
TO
2
,)
I, M _-
AND SO
t"1 LOOKING
THE BOND _-
AT, JLtCE,
I,
--
IN
THAT
clRDER.
HOT{EVER,
IF
YOU TAKE
]T
HERE
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FRONT
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13
OEFICERS,
OKAY
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_'ctr vELISTS __ ^p rv
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__
.Trur. e.r^.itr,
MCCOY COMMUNICATED
IN
__
HER BOND,
SOMEHOW
TlM LEE.
IE MS.
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SOMEHOVJ
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ALLEGAT I ON
CI]
'l THf
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BOND
]T
DOES
BY --
THAT
NOT. SO,
FARACRAPH
IS
__ I}]
PARAGRAPH FOUR
]S A
S]]E _-
AT
SHE'-C
20
II']DICATING
2t
22
23
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25
ABOUT THAT
IS __
HOW
DANGER TO THE
TO
CO}]VERSATION WITII
THAT'S --
HOW ANYTH]NG
IS
TODAY. SO.
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OBJECT TO ANY __
MORE DETAIL
IF THERE'S
ANYTHING THE
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WE WOULD OBJECT TO
FOR
IF THIS IS
SCHEDULED EOR
--
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16
IN
NOT.
COMPLIANCE.
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MS. JACKSON: I
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2t
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GO]NG TO CALL
MS. BETSY
I/M
MANSTON.
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25
IS, HE SAT IN
REMARKS.
-)
THERE,
S NO
REASON WHY
-- LET'S
NOT MUDDY
IT
UP-
HE __
MS.
THE COURT:
MS.
JACKSON:
JACKSON:
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MR. LEE.
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THE COURT:
THAT'
__
EINE
REMARKS
CCME ON
UP, SIR.
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FOLLOWS
DIRECT EXAMINAT I ON
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BY MS. JACKSON:
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A
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2t
HOW
I'M
A SUSAN
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IS T]M __
COMMISSIONERS.
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MY NAME
MCCOY?
IN THE
PAST
I'VE
XT
AND
MESSAGES?
BLESSED SLTNDAY.
THE
HER
COMMISSION
INTENT TO SPEAK AT EVERY UPCOMING COBB COUNTY
ll
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13
OWN HOME.
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PUT
TEXT
I,IESSAGES
r^ltrT
T'T' --
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MR. KILGORE
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THE
PARDON ME?
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MR. K l LGORE
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THE COURT:
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GO AHEAD
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THE
I,{
I TNES
OBJECT.
HIS
REACTION ISN'
RELEVAI..]T.
WI TI.,JES S
MY
__ MY REACTION
WAS THAT
THIS _- THIS
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.IEXT THAT
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..PE.A-K, Id.AS ONE THA.T SUCH SHE I^TAS TRYII'JG TO INTIM]DATE }iE
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THAT.
__ SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT
HOI,.j
AND
]N THE
PAST
AT THE ATLANTA
AT
PUBLIC
COMMISSION,
I CHAIR,
WH]CH SHE
HAD
__
HEARD.
10
TO
REGARD.
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12
RESULT OE WHAT
YOU HEARD?
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15
13
REGIONAL
I{HAT
I DID WAS ]
I SIT
ON.
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IN A V]DEO
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PUT
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THINGS
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GENERAL
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SYSTEM AVA]LABLE.
SURVE]LLANCE SYSTEM
IN
OLENS. I
THOUGHT
IT
AWARENESS
__
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HOME.
OR ATTORNEY
VIDEO
H]GHER LEVEL OF
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25
WE'
CONVERSATION.
__
TO
OF
THEN
--
IS
NEAR MR.
PARIS, I
SHARED
A POLITICAL
SPEECH, AND
TO OBJECT TO
ON THE
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__
t2
MAKE
HER
IT I{ITH
GOING
IT IN
COURT/ NOT
__
NOT
MS. JACKSON: WE __
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LEGAL OBJECTION.
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THE COURT:
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MR. KILGORE:
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THE COURT:
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GO AHEAD
LEGAL OBJECTION.
I,M
GOING TO OVERRULE
IT.
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18
IS THAT I
WAS
--
RECENT
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DONE
2l
BEING INTIMIDATED,
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23
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OVER WHAT
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IN
AND
WAS
__ ]
DO I,iHATEVER
BEEN
I.JAS
-_
] STT __ I
NORMALLY DO,
AGA]N, KNOWING
I'M A
PUBL]C OEEICIAL,
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]'M
GOING TO BE
DEGREE,
IE I
INTO HER HOME, AND I KNEW SHE __ KNOW SHE L]VED NEAR MR. PARIS.
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7
--
WOULD
__ HAD CONCERN
EOR
HIS
WELL
BEING.
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11
WHY HE,S
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HERE
IS
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-- I
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RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN H]M AND MR. PARIS, AND WHY MR. PARIS
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BECAUSE OF
__
!{ITH
ANOTHER QUESTION
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QUEST ION
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IS
2l
PARIS, AND
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GROWTH
a,l
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EVENTS
HOi^]
MY
-- ] __ I'VE
KNOWN
TEXT MESSAGES?
AT
PUBLIC
AND
WAS AWARE OE
BECAUSE
KNEW THAT
ORDER
THAT ON
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11
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HIS
OWN
NEEDED TO DO
__
GET
KNOW ABOUT
__
THEM. ]
DON'
REMEMBER
AETERWARDS.
ALL RIGHT.
MS. JACKSON: ]
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KNOW YOU,
RE
__
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1i
I'M
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EXHIBITS. I'M
GOING
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2l
OE
SENTENCE.
MS. JACKSON:
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--
--
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24
WEI
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HIS
CELL
_-
WE
MAY
THE
COI:]RT
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8
: ALL RIGHT,
I'M
GO AHEAD.
trM
DT
IS
ll
MORN
IDEI.]TIEY
NUMBEF. TWO
]S
t4
15
FROM MARCH
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TEXT
!.IRST, AND A
THAT
AND SO
PHOTOGRAPH AI'JD
__ THAT --
PART OF A
GUESS
ORDER UP A
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20
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I NG .
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17
BEEN
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trAqtr?
COMPLETE.
THE
THE PHOTOGRAPHS
?3
--
THERE
COMPLETE
_- THERE'S
CAN
I,^JE
SEE YOUR
AND
]T
STAP.TS HERE ?
PHONE
24
25
OKAY.
TEXT.
PLEASE
RE PRESEI,]TAT
SOME WORDS
] ONS
ALL RIGHT.
MS. JACKSON:
APPROACH?
IN THE PAST ?
YES.
STATE
IN THIS
YES.
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WHAT
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TO MR. PARI
TEXT
MESSAGES
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16
MCCOY !,iAS
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IN
SHOWED THOSE
S?
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18
CASE?
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12
CASE
INFORMED MY STATE
WHO
AS TO
WHO MS.
BE
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20
2t
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23
COMMISSION AS
WELL.
DOWN
MORE OR LESS
HIS __
IS
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25
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THAT
I
2
')
WHAT
THAT
AT HER HOUSE?
1
5
KNOW THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, JUDGE.
MS. JACKSON:
6
7
]S
V,]HAT
NOT BE -_
PEREECTL' ABLE
__ A
HE
TO
WITNESS OR VICT]M
__ A
!^JAS
IT' S NOT A --
WI'INESS
IS
THAT
OE
VJOULD
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t)
OB.-TECT
JJ
I'1S.
.lACKSOI']
IT'S
VERY CLEAR __
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MR. KILGORE
IT'S
l-5
QUESTION.
t6
MS.
l7
.TACKSON
HE CAN TALK
ABOUT
TAKING CERTAIN
ACTIONS __
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MR. KI LGORE
WELL __
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MS.
__
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MR. KILGORE
.IACKSON
-_ HE __
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I,LL
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25
TO
IT'S
'1'HLJ
T^]E'RE
NOInl
THAT'S
PURPOSES OE BOND,
IS
IS
IN THIS
CASE.
__
SOME __
__
DIRECT OR INDIRECT
10
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12
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WITNESSES. THAT IS
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15
16
t7
MS. JACKSON:
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KNOW
WAS. I,M
OKAY.
CROSS EXAMINAT I
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21
DTD
ON
BY MR. KILGORE:
MCCOY?
24
TEXTS, YES.
25
SOME
IE
WHEI..I
--
WHEN
ALL F.IGHT.
4
5
DON/
T RECALL, SIR.
IVE
!^IELL, DI D YOU
P,ECE
MS. JACKSON:
YOUR HONOR,
EI FTEEN?
--
BEING
GO]NG TO OBJECT TO
I'M
AS __
IHIS
FOR
GOING
SCOPE
OE WHAT WE NEED TO
DO
11
l.'lR. KILGORE :
12
l.ls. JACKSON: HE IS
l3
I'M
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THOSE?
AND
I -GOING OUTSIDE
Or
SCOPE OF THE
DIRECT EXAI'{IT]ATION.
14
IT UP.
IN D]RECT.
15
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]N THE
19
GEORGIA, SO
20
SOME POINT
21
GO AHEAD
]'LL
IT
IS
HER
PRETTY BROAD iN
IT,
BUT AT
I'LL LET
YOU
l'IR. KILGORE:
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HE
PAST.
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23
SURE
HOW MANY
24
l5
2l
THESE
OKAY.
WAS
IT
I DON'T
ALL RIGHT.
WAS
]T
I BELIEVE
OKAY.
WAS
IT
RECALL,
RECALL.
SO,
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I DON'T
11
RECALL.
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13
CORRECT ?
14
SIR. I
CTD
TIME. ] DON'T
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COURSE OE
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17
WE'VE MOVED
18
ON.
SO
AT THE TIME.
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OKAY.
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ALi RIGHT,
IT
GOT
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I.T!..Iv^
22
NOT
23
ONCE
24
PERSONALLY?
25
OKAY
NO, I DID
NOT.
OR
NC. SIR.
OKAY.
I,iARRANT ]NSTEAD?
SO WHATEVER HAPPENED
IT
CCNCERNED,
INVOLVEMENT, CORRECT
WAS, THAT
10
11
EVENTS ASSOCIATED WITH MF.. PARIS AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THIS
12
l3
14
l5
BROUGHT
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A
FORWARD
IN THE EUTURE
WOULD POSSIBLY
BE
BROUGHT
AS __
22
CORRECT.
23
OKAY,
AND SO YOU TALKED ABOUT
24
25
FOR WITNESS
20
21
WASN'T
OKAY.
17
l8
-- I
YOU SAI
THAT YOU
YOU?
TAKING
COUPLE OF MEASURES,
THE
EoUNTY MANAGER
TO
IN.
SURVEILLANCE
SOME DISCUSSION
OE'EI
IAL ACTION,
I,M
!{ELL,
ITH
YOU
S A HIGHER LEVtrL OE AWARtrNESS'
THE SHERIEE,
HAD
RIGHT?
NOT SURE
YOU,
RE DOING
IT IN YOUR
POSITION AS
COUNTY
HAI RMAN ?
THERE,
V{
SECURE
WHEN
DIRECTED COUNTY
_-
WHEN
MANAGERToSECURETHETHIRDFLooR/THATWASDONEASMYOEE]CTAL
_- IN
__
THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY. WHAT I
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CAPACITY TO
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12
iT
13
THIS.
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15
WEEK
AGO? MARCH,
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t7
THE SEVENTEENTH.
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19
OKAY.
20
AS IT RELATES TO MY HOME?
21
UH-HUH (AFEIRMAT]VE)
22
23
-t
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25
COUPLE
IN?
I DON'T
RECALL.
MONTII.
SURVEILLANCE
ALL
F.IGHT.
WAS
]T
I DON'T
!,IAS
S]P' _-
IdAS
YES.
S]R?
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l1
12
HOi,{ MANY
13
IT
RECALL.
BLTOPE -HR]STMP.S:
YOU
SO -_
I DON,T RECALL, SO I
RECALL
DON,
IS.
WHEN YOU
CARE
15
l6
17
IN
THIS IS
SOME
LITTLE EMAILS A
FEW
IS IT?
__
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S]R
19
YOU PUT
20
vrrc
2t
OKAY.
IN VIDEO
rrl- Tc
Uce
22
ALL F.IGHT.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE
14
IT/
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24
EOR
25
DTD
YOU?
YOU
b]ARRANT
COMMUNICATIONS.
UH-HU'I (AEFIFMATlVL)
SAID.
TC THE
_-
-- IS
ALi
I4HAT
IN
^-
MY BUILDING.
RIGHT.
-_
TO?
DIRECTOR HEATON.
l0
OKAY.
l1
AND D]D YOU SHARE WITH HIM THE CONTEXT, THE CONTENT
t2
OT THESE TOUR
MESSAGES ?
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WE DID.
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ALJ- R]GHT.
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t6
THESE
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l8
COI,IMUI!
19
)n
22
2I
WHAT
I CAT
IONS, AND AS
FAR
AS YOU KNOW, NO
IN
AT^TARE
oE
WARRANT WAS
THESE FOUR
OKAY.
OF
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25
2b
I EEI,T THAT ]
WAS BEING
WH
A'I
WlTH TT.
ALL RIGHT, SO YOU WENT TO THE VERY TOP, AND WAS TIIIS
A _-
I,JAS AI']
\2
OKAY.
HAD
OR SO.
t2
OKAY.
!./HAT
/ A
WEEK
PERSONAL
AGO, OR
TELEPHON*E
VISIT.
SO?
13
14
MAKE
l5
CORRECT ?
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CORRECT.
17
ALL RIGHT.
t8
ARE.
YOU
21
ALI, RIGHT.
22
INITO
STILL
20
GOT
?HE CONTENT OF
YOUR PHOI.IE
A
]E
t,.J
MAG]STRATE,
-_ OF
WHAT THESE
I TH YOU?
SURE DO.
SO, ]E
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25
PUBL]C
OKAY.
ll
23
WOULD
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HE, AS A
HI,
CHAI RI"IAN
LEE.
WHAT
THE F]RST
SUSAN MCCOY
ON
ME.
MtrSSAGtr
HERE.
WANTED
SAYS ?
1'O 5EE
ABOU T
OKAY.
COMMUN]CATION
BEHALF?
THAT'
OKAY.
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THAT'S
t2
A],L RIGHT.
t4
IN
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CORRECT.
EIRST
COMMUNICAT ION
NO.
16
ALL RIGHT.
SO WHEN DI D YOU RECEIVE THE SECOND
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EEBRUARY TT.iENTY_EIGHTH,
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20
, trc
)t
22
)t
21
25
WEI.,]T ALONG
WITH THAT
15
17
OI,JE?
OKAY.
A
PHOTOCRA
HER
CORRECT.
THAT
iI'I
IT SAYS,
PIr
Or A
OKAY.
I]AVE
I.AdE.
OKAY.
IT
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DID
WAS
I'D
GOTTEN
A __
RECEIVED
TOOK NOTE
A TEXT
FROM
SHE?
NO, SIR.
t2
BEHAL F,
DID
HER
SHE ?
t4
NO, SIR.
15
ALL RIGHT.
SO, THE -_ i,iHEN hiAS THE THIRD MESSAGE YOU RECEIVED?
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OKAY.
AND THIS
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YES, SIR.
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SHE
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l'lo, SIR.
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ALL RIGHT.
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SI:{ O
T},IO
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25
HE.R
COMMUN]CATION.
ll
13
SHE
DIDI]'T CALL
YOU TO HAVE
RIGHT?
PHONE CONVERSATIO}J?
DEAR CHA]RMAN
EACH
I'LL BE
SPEAKING
BY THOSE WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST. I'LL ALSO READ POETRY
PHOTOGRAPH OE
BOOK.
OKAY.
AND THIS
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IS
ONE OE THE
COMI"]UN
I CAT ION
S THAT YOU
SHARED
TH DIRECTOR HEATOII?
A
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12
OKAY.
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14
YOU
I}J THIS
LANGUAGE
EITHER, IS
THERE?
15
LANGUAGE
AS MUCH AS ]T IS
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l7
18
19
BACK
20
2l
TO
IN
]I]
HER HOME.
I]S UNTIL
SHE
SITUATED
ACCOMMODATE
IIAT
SOMETHING
STATEMEI.JT.
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TO
HEF. BE]NG
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OKAY
COMM]SSIONER,
S MEETING; THAT IS
COBB COUNTY
OPEN TO THE
PUBLIC. RIGHT?
YES, SIR.
AI'ID SO AS
6
7
ABLE
ISSUES,
TO COME
MEMBER OF THE
__
CORRECT ?
THAT'
10
11
YES, SIR.
t2
ALL RIGHT.
CORRECT
AND THAT'S
13
A PUBLIC
14
15
]S
LIKE
MYSELF AND
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tr ar'll,t!.trl,tT 7 ,l-uEnrD
rnc. u,^ECTIOlJ,
THE
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rT'll
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19
20
21
22
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COMI{ENT S
]N THE PAST IS
LIMIT,
__
SHE
__
SHE
-- GIVEN THE
EXTENDED
EOR HER TO
SIT
DOVJI,J
21
25
ON
THE
T^iAS
MY
MY EVALUAT]ON.
I'IIND/ I
SURE.
TN
MAKE
HAD
PREVIOUSLYCOMEToTHESEMEET]}IGSBEEORE,ANDSHEHADACTUALT.Y
'7
CORRECT ?
1 BELIEVE ]T IS.
10
OKAY
12
THAT
l4
YES.
SHE COME
O
OKAY
-_
PHYS
HEAD. IT
WAS SOME
TIIiE
AGO
15
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THAT
11
13
IS
17
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19
EROIV] ONE
.F- THF-qtr
MtrtrT'T\]CC?
20
YESI SIR.
21
22
23
15 IT A
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25
DO}',]
' T RECALL
DOI]/
BUNCH?
T trECA'L. :-P.
REMARKABLE,
-_
NOTHING REALLY
TOO
WE COULD
WELL,
IN
GO
IS IT?
HAPPEI\]S PRETTY
I'TUCH
WOULD
YOU SAY
]T
HAPPENS
T _.
THEMSET,VES ?
DON'
SIR, I DON'T
COMMI SSIONERS
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WELL, D]D YOU KEEP TRACK IF YOU,VE EVER HAD TO
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lj
I DON,T BELIEVE
14
OKAY.
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I DON'T
16
17
HAVE
DI
.
Q
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DON,
WE D]D.
KI.]OW I
IE I -_ ] DON'T
RECALL THAT
ALL RIGHT.
HAS SIIE EVER SHOh]N UP AT AT]Y OE THESE Mtr. TINGS AND
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20
2t
22
REMOVED?
NO, S1R.
ALL R]GHT.
SO SHtr INDICATtrS THAT SHE' D
BE
SPEAKfNG ABOUT
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DES IB.E
BY
VIRTUES, YES.
Vl
RTUE S
ALL
RIGHT
SUBSCRIBE
I'^JOUI'D
JACKSON
OE
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8
THE WITNESS
vtrau
MS.
JACKSON
_-
QUESTION.
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THE
WI T}]ES
-_
CONFUSED TOO.
l1
l2
THINK LEADERSHIP' S
IMPORTANT
AGREE WITH
THAT, DO YOU
T,,]HAT, S
THE RELEVANCE?
l5
l6
HE'
17
IS
WHY?
SOMEHOW
TERRIFIED BY
l8
MS.
JA^(SON: IHAT
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MR.
KILGORE: IF HE
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2l
QUEST ION
22
YOU
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t4
T,M --
TH]S.
WOUI
U]HAT
TH.qT
D --
DOESN.
T BELIEVE IN
LEADERSHIP.
ITSELF.
I{S. JACKSON:
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DEEENDANT
25
IS
CONTACTII{G HIM
IS -- IS
THE
IS
CONTACT]NG
HIM, IS
I THINK ]T, S
THE COURT:
IN KIND,
AND CERTAINLY
6
7
ALL RIGI]T.
SO ViHAT [,JAS THE I,AST COI4MUNICATION THAT YOU HAD
10
EROM
HER?
12
WISHING YOU
13
ALL RIGHT.
PEACEEUL
t4
IT TO BE -_
15
16
17
18
19
DlDN'T
20
DID
1'OOK
THAT
I,{ERE
YOU ?
SHE
5HE ?
21
NO, S]R.
22
SHE
23
CONTACT lNG
24
SHE?
I5
BUT
ll
MCCOY '
IN
I THINK
I.i}IAT
THAT
TALKED AND SPOKE TO BEING SiTUATED BACK INTO HER HOME, WHICH IS
rl
TJEAR
ALL THOSE, IS
I?
HIS
HOME, AND
]'M
OKAY
BOTTOM
TOOK
ON
10
l1
AND CONTACT
t?
ICHAEL PARIS
I,f
I DON'T THINK -_
YEAH,
13
OKAY.
t+
15
YES/ SIR.
16
YOU
t7
IN THE
PREV]OUSLY
IT
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POTENT
20
YES, SIR.
2t
ALL RIGHT.
22
23
24
WAS
MEXIT
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25
POTEI.JTIAL, SIR.
I./iL
WITNES
S?
THtr TE}1PORARY
COUNSEL AND
MR. PARISI
LAVJYER CAME UP
TO
1OO
EARI NG /
CHE ROKEE
I/E
HAD
wH trN
TT]
I,1tr E 'F
ALL RIGHT.
!,,]HEN WAS
.,)
WITNESS
IN
THAT YOU
I DON'T
OKAY
POKE
TO
COUNSEL AECUT BE
},]
NOT
UNT
IL
WE GOT HERE
OTHEP,.
IT
BEEORE TODAY?
l0
!.JAS
11
t2
13
THE
YES.
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t7
OKAY.
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NO. IT
20
OKAY.
2l
WAS
A
IT LAST MONTH?
DON'
T RECALL, SIR.
ALL RIGHT.
24
I,{ELL, SUSAN
SHE ?
IF ]T
WAS NOT.
-:)
WAS
WITNESS IN
DO YOU RECALL
22
CASE?
l.+
2.5
I}:]G A
RECALL.
t\rAS I T To DAY
O}J
THE CASE?
IT
I
FOLLOW YOUR QUEST
T AT THAT MEETING,
NO, SIR.
OKAY
KNOWING WHATEVER
IT IS
TH FIRST
DON'
OF MARCH, RIGHT?
YES, SIR.
IlLLJ
r\-L
lrIr .L.
AND SO
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_-
11
CONTACTED
12
YOU
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14
HF,ATON ?
TO. DID
YOU
--
THOUGH SHE
--
SHE DiDi]i,
ELSE ABOUT
-- I
16
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I DID NOT .
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19
I DID NOT.
20
OKAY.
22
FEI,,J
MS.
25
JUDGE.
R,ED]RECT EXAM]NATlON
24
IT,
S?
2t
JACKSON:
__ ARE YOU
YOU
MEAI'I MR.
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23
__
ASK
IN
AT SIX
O'CLOCK
VERY UNUSUAL.
ON YOUR PERSONAL CELL PHONE?
1S IT
MESSAGES
THE MORN]NG?
6
1
MA, AM
VE.Q
UNUSUAL.
10
VERY UNUSUAL.
11
AD WHAT
OE
SUDDEN
12
IJ
KNOW ABOUT
14
THE HISTORY?
GIVEN THE HI
STORY,
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16
t7
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YCU
AND
IS IT
AS
HIGHER
IT/S __ IT'S
--
HIGHER AWARENESS,
TO, IE
THERE
MCCOY,
HIGHER
IS A
REASON
SOMEONE ?
20
ABSOLUTELY.
2l
22
BECAUSE OF THE
24
HISTORY THAT
25
WAS AWARE
HIS FAMILY
BEEN RESOLVED
YET AS
IT
RELATES
MS.
THE COURT:
JACKSON
YOU
YOU
THI\TIK
YOU.
SHOULD
LEAVE THE
THE W]TNESS
THE COURT:
MR. Kl LGORE
THE
COUP.T:
THE
WI TNES S
THAI.]K YOU.
10
IlS.
JACKSON
1l
THE COURT:
IS
THI
S IdIT}]ESS BE FREE TO
] DON'T
OKAY,
YOU/
ROOM?
GO?
12
13
14
EOLLOWS:
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16
DIRi'CT EXAMIIJATiON
BY MS. JACKSON:
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18
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23
PF.OTECTIVE ORDER
21.
22
DID.
CONVERSA'IION
2.4
1ES, I DID.
25
CAN YOU TELL THE COURT WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE TEXT
40
WEIL, idHAT ]
__
HAD BEEN
KI',]
OI,{ THAT
IN A
__ ] BELIEVE
SL]ON AETER
1'1S.
MCCOY HAD
OE THEM THAT
MEET]NGS ON
10
1l
__
IN
MY EMPLOYMEJI{T
IS THAT ]
ME
ATTEND THOSE
REGULAR BASIS.
A\ID WOULD
COMMUNICATE WITH
IT __
WOULD
IT BE
IT
13
WOULD BE.
1T SO CONCERNING TO
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I _- I EELT __
lIY
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KNOW,
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20
THOUGHT
2l
22
BEEN HARASSING
WAS ALMOST
25
4l
MY
OVER
US/ AND I
AN IN]DIRECT WAY
OE
OR
MRS
HOUSES AWAY.
YOU
OWN SAEETY,
ONE
t2
l4
]"ICCoY?
EEW
TIIE COURT;
CROSS EXAMINAT I
ON
OKAY, NIR. PARIS, THE LAST TII"]E THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED
ISN'T IT
10
WITNESS.
BY MR. KILGORE:
THlS
CP.OSS EXAMINATION.
EURTHER OF
IS
SO YOU
RIGHT.
ALL,
CORRECT?
ll
THAT
13
li
IS
CORRECT.
DID
YOU?
NOT.
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t5
t6
] __ b]E'RE
SAME
YOU?
THINC.
t7
THAT'S RIGHT.
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19
I.{E .
20
OKAY.
2t
22
25
NOT WHILE
OKAY.
WAS THERE.
ALL RIGHT.
YOU
ANY EMAILS ?
NO, SIR.
OKAY.
9
10
NOT.
AND
COME
NOVEMBER,
l1
12
OKAY
OR JANUARY ?
NOT.
YOU CAME
13
COME UP
__
IN
HERE AND
_-
14
YOU TOLD
15
l6
17
HOME THAT
18
20
YOU
GHT ?
SHORTLY AFTER
2l
ALL RIGHT.
22
IXTEEN
-!)
24
FORM,
25
MEMBER OE THE
19
HAS
MS.
SHE?
NOT D]RECTLY.
IN
OI1
SHE HASN'T EMAILED YOU. SHE HASN'T TEXTED YOU, SHE HASN'T SEI]T
HASN'T SENT YOU ANY MAIL, SHE HASN'T CONTACTED YOU. ISN'T
TF.UE ?
YES, S]R.
TI]AT IS RIGHT.
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YES, HE D]D,
OKAY.
13
DID HE
15
SHOWED THEM
l6
l7
THOSE?
HE SHOI,{ED _- HE
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LEE,
THAT
t2
H]S
PHONE?
TO ME, YES.
OKAY.
--
IN ANy OF
18
19
CONTACT YOU?
20
21
22
23
__
ALL,
_-
THOSE
TO
DO THEY?
14
DIRECT TIM LEE TO CALL YOU, OR TEXT YOU/ OR EMAIL YOU, OR HAVE
25
CONVERSAT]ON
AT A],L, DID
THEY?
THAT
-_
THAT,
ALl-
AND, ]N EACT,
R] GI]T
I/iE
CORRECT.
V,JERE
TALKII']G
IN THE
PROTECT
IVE
HEARING
MS .
EXACTLY
MCCOYDOESN,TGETToGoToTHOSECOMM]SSIONMEETINGS,THEI..]HER
!,^JHAT
WELL, I
WE GOT
DOWN ON
_-
ON ANY ISSUE
CORRECT?
DON,
KNOVJ.
I'M
10
ll
EORWARD,
ISN'T
AI'I D
THERE
SHE CAI'J'
PUSH
T1IAT TRUE?
12
I DON'T
li
t4
15
l6
t1
l8
KNOW
]F SHE'S
THIIIGS.
SHE'S
SHE CAII
l,,JF.I
TE
A C]TIZEI.].
SURE.
SHEIS
A CITIZEN,
t9
20
COMMISSION MEETINGS, DO
2l
SHE?
VJALK
WA}JT HER
M]CROPHONE
TO HAVE
THE
AT THOSE
YOU ?
I't'{
22
-1
DOESN/
24
25
WA}.]
HE/
S CONSTITUTIONAL E]RST
MADDOX?
I,M
SORRY.
COMMON
--
COMMON MISTAKE.
IS THE CENTRAL
FIGURE
IN
THE COURT:
I DISAGREE. ] THINK IT
11
12
MS. JACKSON:
13
BE
YOU.
NO.
S]R,
YOU.
15
CAMAR]LLO.
PAUL CAMARILLO,
16
17
18
FOLLOWS
t9
20
THE
RELEVANCE OE THIS.
10
14
-_
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MS. JACKSON:
21
22
PAUL CAMARILLO.
23
HOW
t4
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AND WHAT
IS
YOUR ASS]GNMENT?
TO JUDGE GRUBB' S
-,
ATTORNEY, AND
ASSIGNED
COURTROOM.
TI,{ENTY_N]NTH __
N
\l
__ r)tr
THTq YFAP?
v'
THAT
l0
WOULD
11
PROBABLY.
t2
OKAY.
WAS.
I,JAS
I'M
IT
NOT
SURE. I'M
HAVE
_-
WOULD
NOT POSITIVE.
IT
HAVE BEEN
MONDAY?
l3
14
I'M
15
16
l7
DID.
ENCOUNTER?
i8
YOUR HONOR,
19
20
2t
22
23
SOI ]
24
25
]E
GOT
A CALL
SHOW
AND
UP TO THE LOBBY.
LOCAL
IF
SAW
MS.
MCCOY
IItrRtr/ AND I
HELP YOU?
THERE I1]AS
47
TALK,
SO
HERSELE, AND WE
_-
VIC, TO TALK
WE
TO
__
EOR
MAYBE
YOUR QUEST]ON?
10
__
SHE
l1
HAD TO GO BACK
12
13
T4
15
l6
!^JASN'T THINKING CORRECTLY, AND THAT SHE HAD SENT SOME EMAILS
t7
t8
THERE WAS
AT HER HOUSE, IN
OF -- SHE DIDN/T
SHE
SO
19
IT
AND
20
IT
21
22
HAVE?
WHAT DOES
IT
C]VIL TPO, IT
SOUNDED
25
L]KE
MLJ
LIKE TO ME, SO J
DO?
THAT
PAPERWORK DO YOU
COMMISSION MODIFIED ON
WAS
__ IT
LOOKED
IT.
THE DEI'ENDANT IN
I DON'T
CASE.
I SA]D,
SO
QU]CK. SO, I
SAI{ THAT
PROSECUT ION
]T
HANG
!.IAS
THAT
IN
10
__
ll
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l3
l4
BUT
l5
THAT TO THE
l6
i CAN,T,
WOULD REEER
1l
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19
20
2l
22
23
25
IT
RAN
DOIV]
CONCERNED ME
Fl ED.
SO SHE
HER CHILDREN/ SHE STARTED TO BREAK DOWN CRYING, AND SHE SAID
KIDS,A__AWIEE
IN
TO HER
__
A _- A
MOTHER TO HER
S I'iHY SHE
WAS
MY OTEICE.
I, M GOING TO OBJECT.
WE' RE
l0
CUTS HIN1
OEE. I,
I"1
GOING TO ASK
ll
ll
EINISH.
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14
t5
l6
KI.IOW, WANTIIIG TO BE
t7
THAT, AND SHE WAS -- YOU KNOW, I __ SHE WAS __ SHE WAS
l8
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IT.
20
2t
SHE
__ IN
SORT OE
23
1,1
25
BUT
KNOW
SHE
-.
22
T DON'T
_- I TH]NK
1 CA}I __ I
METHODICAL KIND CE
AI.JD
CAN DESCRIBE
WAY. IT
WAS
Otr
WAS VERY
-_ IT
SPEAKING,
REPRESENTED?
] DID _-
BY
YES. AT
WHEN
I _-
SHE
EACT
r,IAS VERY
STARTED K]ND OE
THAT SHE
II]AS
COUNSEL?
THAT POINT
ll
EVERYTHING
t2
IJ
14
SHE
15
.qHE
T"iHEN
l0
__
AND
I}i THE
SA]D, THAT'S
HOVi
SA]D TH.AT
IN
-SHE HAD
MY MIND,
ENDED UP
AT RIDGEV]EW IN
THE
16
17
TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, AND I HAVE TO TELL I"{Y
18
t9
WHAT WAS
20
CAN'T,
2t
WAS REPRESENTED,
22
SAID,
SAID. I
HAVE TO
BECAUSE YOU'RE
AI.]
ACTUALLY
BOSS
ANY},IORE.
24
THINK I'M CRAZY, BUT I'M NOT. SHE SA]D. ]'M THINKING
25
I DON'T __ I DON'T
51
TO
THEY
SO
NEED ANYMORE
ABOUT
I,M
MEDICATION,
SHE SAID
IN
HER WORDS,
I'M THINKING
-r
BECAUSE
-;,
SO CLEARLY RIGHT
EURTHER FROM
MR. KILGORE:
THIS
I,M
NOW'
T,JITNESS.
OKAY.
CROSS EXAMINATION
6
7
-_
BY MR. K]LGORE:
WAS?
FR]DAY OR MONDAY.
10
WAS EITHER
1l
TWENTY_NINTH, BECAUSE
IT
WAS NOT
t2
EEBRUARY TWENTY_NINTH?
IJ
YEAH, IT WAS A
14
OKAY.
15
MONDAY MORNING.
16
DID SHE _-
REMEMBER
IT
WAS
__ IT
WAS THE
NORMAL EEBRUARY.
MONDAY.
EXCUSE
YOU
17
l8
19
IN
HER HOME?
I DON'T __ I DON'T
-- IS
THAT
KNOW WHO
20
REMEMBER
2t
22
__
OTHER THAN
IE IT
I DON'T
1__ I
DON'T
b]AS PART OE
HEF.
ME TO CONTACT ANYBODY.
24
OKAY.
25
TOLD HER
SIDES
OE HEF. CASE.
A].L RICHT.
SHE APPEARED
]N
HEARD, SHE HAD A},] ISSUE, AND SHE POURED HER HEART
IS
6
7
8
9
10
11
THAT
OUT
TO
YOU,
__
AIJD
HOME
SHE TOLD ME SHE I,{AS PUT OUT OF HEB. HOME, AND TH7\T
SHE
t2
l3
HER HOME.
11
OKAY.
15
-_ THAT IT
WAS SO TRAUMAT IC
l6
FOR HER BEII.]G REI'{OVED EROM HER HOME, THAT SHE HAD TO BE
t7
l8
I DON'T
19
20
-_ ALL ]
21
RELEASED. I'M I'IOT SURE/ OTHER THAN THAT, AND THE FACT THAT
22
23
I]ER TO GO TO F.IDGEVIEI4
REIVIEMBER
__
SHE
HAD CAUSED
1/l
l5
IN
WORK]NG
ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY.
A}I
BY, ]
--
IE
UNCOMMON ABOUT
THAT,
CORRECT ?
10
11
OliAY.
t2
13
l4
SPENT
15
DOESN /
T IT?
l6
YES, SIR.
t7
OKAY.
SHE
18
l9
IN
20
NO/ SIR.
2t
IN EACT,
22
DID
HAPPEI.]S
IN THE DA'S
'U{E
PARTICULARLY
SOMEBODY ON BOIID,
SHE ?
23
THAT' S CORRECT.
24
SHE WEPT.
25
YEg.
<A
MR. KlLGORE:
THE COURT:
MS.
ANY
P,E
D] RECT
YOU.
ONE QUESTION.
JACKSON:
RED]RECT EXAMINATION
4
5
OKAY/ THANK
BY
JACKSON:
I'1S.
OVER THE IMPACT THAT HER BEHAVIOR HAS HAD ON ANY OE THESE
VICTIMS?
9
10
NO.
HO]"IE, ACCOP,DING
--
IT
t2
YES. I DON'T
13
THAN
1.1
I'IENT1O]'lED
15
WI]RE
HAD NO RECOLLECTIOI'l
SHE MENTIONED
PARI
TIM LEE.
Or/ T
DIDI\l
ANYTH]NG.
OTHER
'
t6
t7
11
WAS
-_
TlM
LEE
l8
I'tO.
19
20
NO.
2t
DID SHE TALK ABOUT THE TACT THAT SHE HAD COTITACTED
27
)1
NO.
24
25
2
3
IT
THAT'S
AT
THAT
TI}lE?
CORRECT.
N1F..
KILGORE:
IS
SHO!^J
TllE COURT:
OKAY.
12
1.+
SOR.RY.
CLEAF.,
RECORD
1l
l3
DOI/,iN.
PLEASE?
10
FURTHER.
HIM
RECROS S
JUST
COPY OF THE
!^JARRA}JT ?
EXAMINATION
BY MR. K]LGORE:
IT
SHOULD
15
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tl
YES. SIR.
l8
t9
15-w-10338.
20
ALL RIGHT.
2t
22
ACCRAVATE
Q'I-AT
11 T
TT IS.
24
A],L RIGHT.
CAI.'I
--
TRATE
\]''
23
2-5
ON
IT LISTS
j
1
ANYBOD/ ELSE
P.
I^TARRANT?
TIM LEE,S
NAME ON THEP'E AS
WITNESS,
NO.
t0
ll
l2
THANK
YOU
QUESTION.
l3
BY
MS.
JACKSON:
ON ANY WARRANTS THAT YOU GUYS DO, DO YOU EVEP SEE ALL
l5
l6
DO YOLI ?
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OF
17
IT' S
WARRAI.ITS ?
THERE ]
I.]O
__ IT
l8
t9
BE
20
WITNESS
2t
O!'F1CEF. ASSIGNED AND THEY IAIEI.]T AND GOT THEIR OI,JN WAB.RANT.
THE PROSECUTOP..
22
?3
COUNT ,
24
BECAUSE
25
KENNEDY.
OKAY
7
8
JAMES STRAYHORN.
!"i]TNESSES,
IN
--
THE CASE,
IF IT
h]AS
]N
WOLTLD
__ AT ANY
COURT
NO
IN
COBB
A WITNESS
JUST
WARRP.I.IT ?
DONE
WHERE
THEY
LIST
THEM OUT.
MS.
THE COURT:
rJr.Ai,
JACKSON:
lnHL
J l1!rr.
CA}'']
YOU.
THE COURT:
WHO,
NEXT?
MANSTON
BETSY MANSTON.
9
10
1l
EOLLOWS:
12
I RI]CT EXAMINATIOI']
13
BY I"1S.
l4
i5
BETSY MANSTON.
16
17
IT' S OKAY.
l8
l9
20
THANK YOU.
.lACKSOI.]:
21
72
23
PF.ETR]AL
OFFICER.
24
25
AM.
CASES?
OKAY.
AM.
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DE EEN
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OR CONCERNS
MR. KILGORE:
BY
MR.
KILGORE:
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BACK UP
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CARLOS __
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BY ANY CHANCE D]D YOU EVER CONTACT KEVIN RICHARDS AND ASK HIM?
THIS. DID
IN PRETR]AL,
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PEOPLE TO DO TREATMENT __
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ALL RIGHT.
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IF
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MCCOY
AS EARLY AS
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ALL RIGHT.
YESTERDAY
A RES]DENTIAL TREATMENT
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YES.
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CENTER BEGINNING
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CAN EOLLOW_UP
ON
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AND TRACK
IT.
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NO OBJECTION.
25
OKAY.
61
YOU?
MCCOY
MR. KILGORE
THE COURT:
MS.
THE COURT:
THE W]TNESS
THANK YOU.
MS.
THE COURT:
MS.
THANK YOU.
ANY REDI
RECT ?
NO, YOUR
JACKSON
HONOR.
JACKSON
WHO'
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JACKSON
S NEXT, PLEASE.
DOCTOR MATTHEW NORMAN
MATTHEW NORMAN,
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DIRECT EXAMINAT I ON
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BY MS. JACKSON:
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MATTHEW NORMAN,
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HOW
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PSYCH]ATRY,
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HAVE
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GEORGIA.
AND T.JHAT
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IN ATLANTA,
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M_A-T-T_H-E_W, N-O-R-M-A-N.
PHYCOLOGY
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IN
THAT CAPACITY?
TWO.
YOUR EDUCATION?
NORMAN/S CREDENTIALS.
I'VE
WORKED
WITH HIM
IN THE
DR.
PAST,
DOES.
YOU.
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AND HOW
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MCCOY?
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IN
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CASE ?
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CAMARILLO.
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FORENSIC SIDE
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WORK __
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AND
DANGEROUSNtrSS
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PART OF MY PRACTTCE
IS
DOING
ASSESSMENTS.
STATEMENT, AND
IT'S
ESSENTIALLY CALLED
IT'S
AN
BE SOMEONE WHO
MADE
ABOUT
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THEM?
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WHO
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OR
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REVIEWED SPEC]F'IC
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KNOW THAT
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MORE
IN GENERAL.
IT IS HE'S
TALKING
HER CASE
IS
ABOUT.
RELEVANT.
HER
Wtr
PARAGRAPH
IS TALKING ABOUT
FACT
MS. JACKSON:
DOCTOR NORMAN
GOES
TS --
THAT ,
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OB JECT
THE
ON .
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IS -- I
WTLL ASK
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NORMAN
IS
ACTUALLY GOING
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PERSONALLY RELATED.
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ABOUT
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THAT
IT'S
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MY
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WH]CH ARtr
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DOWN
NUMBER OE
STUDIES, MOST
OF
IS !{HAT IS
CATEGORIZED AS
WRONGED
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7
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IN
OF
]S THE
POTENTTAL
PERSONS?
GOING
WORST
COME
THAT. LET'S
10
TO OBJECT TO
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THEY FEEL
SO THE _-
MR. KILGORE: oH
IN
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HAVE ANYTHING TO
DO
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RELEVANT.
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BEEN"
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DEFENDANT
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REVENGEFUL STALKER?
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BEHAVIOR.
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IN TIME ]F
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SHOULD WE LET
APPROPR]ATE
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NOT
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OBJECTION.
MS. JACKSON:
THE COURT:
DITTERENT WAY.
OKAY.
LEGAL CONCLUSION.
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IN THE
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BEHAVIOR.
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NOT
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IS
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THEY HAVE
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TREATMENT.
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AND
IF
OR
IE
PRESENT, AND
IF
SOME
YOU TALK TO
THAT THEY
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UNDER
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18
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20
AND
IN
THAT
BEHAVIOR.
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BEHAVIOR?
IN
MY EXPER]ENCE,
IS
THAT
-- THAT IT'S
THE NON_TREATMENT
AND
THE MENTAL ILLNESS THAT CAN ALLOW THE BEHAVIOR TO CONTINUE AND
ESCALATE.
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AND
IE
STARTED
AT,
THEN
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THE COURT:
THIS.
1 TH]NK,
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ONE QUESTION
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2t
NEED ANSWERED
SO, ] THINK
OVERLY
IS,
YOUR QUESTION'S
BROAD. 1'M
HOW
TO POSE
OR
IT,
18
22
BY
10
17
OF
RESENT!'UL
A LITTLE BIT
OVER __
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IS
WHAT'S
BOND
*- A
QUESTION
AtsOUT
CONDITION.
THIS
DEEENDANT AI.i
(BY MS.
JACKSON
PEC!-'JT
I DON'T
TE\T
I'VE
KNOW THAT
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TELL
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PSYCH]ATRIC STANDPOINT,
IT IS AN
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REENGAGE
IS
IF
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THAT BEHAVIOR,
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IS
TO
CAUSE PATN
RESEI.ITEUL STALKER
TO SOMtrONtr ELSE
IN
SOMtr WAY
DO. AND IF
WHAT
AROUND THE PERIPHERY AND SEE HOW THEY CAN GET TO THOSE PEOPLE,
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THINKING ABOUT
THE
AND ON
TYPES.
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STALKER
THEY HAVE
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TO REVIEW MATERIALS
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BASED
ANSWER
T,LL
IT.
ALLOW
THE COURT:
I' M GOING
TO ALLO!^J IT
YES.
SORRY.
I,LL
REPEAT MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
HOW
10
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HO!{
IS IT
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REPEAT
--
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STALKER TYPE
IS
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HAS
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UNABLE TO STOP
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AND
REVENGEEUL
IF
--
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IT'S
BECAUSE THERE'S
S UNTREATED, OR UNDER
TREATED.
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PLACE, WHERE YOU HAVE THAT PERSON THAT CONTINUES TO TRY TO FIND
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20
INDICATE
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WELL THAT,
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I'M
25
IN
TO ME, AS
A CLINICIAN, TIIAT
FOLLOW_UP
INDICATION
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STILL THINKING
UI']DER TREATED
AT THE
BE ]N
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DANGER?
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MR. KILGORE:
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THE COURT:
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THE T,iTTNESS:
IN
DA},]GER?
REIJEW MY OBJECTION.
I'M
GOING TO OVERF.ULE.
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DAI,]GEROUSNESS.
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18
TREATMENT.
I THINK
A
PREDICTING
IS __ IT
CERTAI},ILY
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MS. JACKSON:
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NOTHl}JG FURTHER.
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23
WHILE. SO, IS
OKAY.
EOR
THEP.E ANY __
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25
TOMORROb].
!^JAY
RESTROOM
SURE.
THE COURT:
STOPPING
OKAY.
A WHILE,
II]HAT
AT EIVE NO MATTER
!,JHAT.
IS A WHILE?
MR. KILGORE:
OKAY.
10
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12
TOMORROW
YOU.
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JUDGE.
CROSS EXAMTNATION
16
BY MR. KILGORE:
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IS
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AETERNOON.
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IN JUST A L]TTLE
PLEASE?
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TODAY BY
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OKAY, BECAUSE
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ME SEE THAT.
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POLICE REPORTS
IN
NOT
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AND THAT
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RE PORT ?
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IS
CORRECT.
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IS
RI GHT
SIDE
CCRP.ECT.
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BUT YOU -.YOU'VE TESTIFIED FOR BOTH THE STATE AND THE
DEFENSEI SO CEF.TA]NLY YOU WOULD AGREE THAT THOSE POLICE
24
25
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RE PORTS
BIASED
CE,RTATNLY CENERATED
THEY E-..'-....-.'-...'-...-....---nE,
YES' I
BY A
OKAY.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY
IN
IT
TO
WHATEVER HAPPENS
RE EORMING, YOU'RE HAVING TO ACCEPT
IS
I DON'T HAVE'
BE IN THOSE POLICE REPORTS, WHICH YOU UNDERSTAND'
RIGHT?
HAVE THOSE.
YOU,
I DID
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AT IT.
I DON'T __ I DON'T
KNOW
20
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OKAY.
24
AND THEN
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WHAT
I'VE
NOTICtrD
IN
SUPPLEMENTAL
IN __ IN TALKINC
ABOUT THIS,
YOU
TO A}IYONE
ELSE
]T
REPORT
WASN'T
_- ]T
AT THE TOP
EIIAIL
WERE
THAT
__
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MCCOY
-- BUT IT
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OR
WHOEVER AUTHORED
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ISN'T
LONG
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READER TO SEE
COULD
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OUT
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COULD,
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2
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IN
THOSE REPORTS
THAT
OKAY.
IS
MY UNDERSTAND]NG, THAT
IN EMA]LS
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THAT
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ALL R]GHT.
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IS
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IS
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PSYCHIATRIC RECORDS,
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25
ON
NO. IF
HAPPY TO LOOK
OKAY
AT
.
FROM
I'1S
YOU WOULD
THEM.
__
MCCOY ?
PROVIDE THEM TO
ME, I
WOULD BE
YOU
YOU,
I
2
WHAT EVER
THAT
,+
ALL
IS
I,{HATEVER
CORRECT.
RTGHT.
ENTIRETY, YOU DID NOT SEE MEDICAL RECORDS, AND YOU HAVE
SEEN
A1'']
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CORRECT.
IS
THAT
12
ALL RIGHT.
AND YOU
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CORRECT.
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AS
A VAF,]TY OE MAT!]ERS,
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RIDGEVIEI/i HAS
MENTA], ILLNESS?
WOULD HAVE TO
THAT
DISAGIIEE. IN
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ALL RIGHT.
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IE
WHO
TO
YES, DEPRESSION IS A
WHAT ABOUT
HOPELESSNESS
MENTAL
ILLNESS
FEELING OE HOPELESSNESS?
IS A
_- AND I
CLEAR.
--
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YOU'RE
YOU?
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IJO, I AM NOT .
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IS
OKAY.
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CERTAIIN
CORF,ECT.
THAT TS
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CORP.ECT.
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RESENTEUL.
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OKAY.
AND
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I BELIEVE
THAT
OE
ENGAGED IN
OKAY.
SO
IE THAT'S
rllHAT
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TO CAUSE PAIN.
SOMEBODY ELSE
OKAY.
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YES, SIR.
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ALL RIGHT.
OKAY.
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DISTRICT ATTORNI]Y, RI
A __ AN ASSISTANT
GHT ?
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IS A __ ]E -- IE THAT PERSON IS
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YES.
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TO
HER
WAS SHE IdANTED TO SEE IE OUR OEFICE COULD HELP HER CHANGE
LET
BOI]D CO}'IDlTIONS SO THAT SHE COULD GO BACK I I]TO HER HOUSE.
ME
IS
THAT
CORRECT.
IE
SHE COULD
CORRECT.
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THERE'
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IT
CORRECT
THAT
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TO CAUSE PAIN
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TO
ANYBODY, RI
NOT IN THIS
GHT ?
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NO.
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WAS
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THIS
COURT THAT
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SAI,.J REF'EP.E\ICE
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TO THAT ORDER
ALL RIGHT.
AT
LEAST
MR. PARIS?
IN A
SAID,
COUNSEL, YOU
RIGHT
ALL RIGHT.
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S GO]NG ON,
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OF
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REMOVE D EROM
HER
IE
I DON'T
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RECALL
BASED
ON THIS COMMUNICATION.
OKAY.
WERE YOU AWARE THAT THAT WAS THE HOME THAT SHE HAS
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MARR]AGE,
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OKAY.
HER
WAS NOT.
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ORDER,
HOME ?
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ALL RIGHT.
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TWO
TO
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IS THE PR]MARY
CAREGIVER
THE
INSIDE OF THAT
OKAY,
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TO
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LA/ANTEI)
TO
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SHE WANTED
TO
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SPEAKII,]G TO
THE
HAVE
-- AS
MATERIALS, lOU
BE
GOT
WAS
YOU THAT TWO DAYS __ TWO DAYS AFTER SHE WAS RE}4OVED EROM HER
HOME
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W]TH HER
R]DGEVIEW. DO YOU
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BE
GE'f
I I{AS
ICH IS THE
DATE HERE ON
BUT
THE RIDGEVIE!.i VERIFICATION LETTER,
RIDGEVTEW HOSPITAL'
SPECIEIC DATES THAT SHE WENT INTO
CONVICTED OF
A CRIME, WHO IS A
GEORGIA. WHO
IS A
HOMEIANDESSENTIALLYBECOMEHOMELESS,FLNDSOMEOTHERPLACETo
MOTHER, WHO
IN A
VERY
IS RAISING CHILDREN IN
HER
HOME
NEIGHBORHOOD' ANI)
THAT
T BE THERE IN
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LIVE, AND I
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12
THEM EED, GET THE]B LUNCHES READYT GET THEM TO SCHOOL, SHE
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PICK THEM UP AT SCHOOL AND TAKE THEM HOME TO CARE TOR THEM,
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CONSIDER THAT
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CONNI]C'.t
L]D
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CERTA]NLY
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DEPRESSED?
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HOME TO
__ TO SEE
l DUA-LS.
GET
BUS, OR
TO
TO
WANT YOU TO
D1V
THE
OKAY?
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IS A REC]PE FOR A
]T IS
WOMAN
IT IS -- I
IN
THAT POSIT]ON TO
IS A
BE
VtrT]Y
IT ]S.
OKAY.
APLACELIKERIDGEVIEI/i,THATTREATSDEPRESS]ONANDANXIETY?
YES.
SO
SOMEONE
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THESE?
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OKAY.
WE LOOKED
AT.
TODAY
YOU
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CHANCE TO TAKE
LOOK AT
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WERE
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CONTACT
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I THINK. IE ]
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ERIEND OF PERHAPS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SHE WAS TOLD NOT
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HAD TO DO WITH.
NOWHERE
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SOMEONE
NEXT
IN
HERE
IN ALL
OE THESE COMMUNICATlONS,
TF1AT THtr
TO
OKAY.
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TIJA_ TS CODDFCT.
OKAY.
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THEY DO.
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THE
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LIKE
I,ITHEN
THAT
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CORRECT.
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GOING TO GO STRAIGHT
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THERE'S
2l
FROM
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THERE
IN
1S,
SHE'S
HER HOME?
AGREE.
IS,
IIOWEVER, NO SUGGESTION
IN EITHER
THE
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25
THATSHEIS-_IJASAI{INTENTTOCAI]SEPAINTOSOMEBODY'EVLN
ALL RIGHT.
THE
ALL RIGHT.
COMMI SS IONER
OE COBB
WOULD BE
COUNTY.
COMMISSIONER WOULD BE
MEET]NG, Rl
AT THE
GHT ?
WOULD HOPE
SO.
YES.
OKAY.
10
ICAT IONS
THOSE EMAILS,
IN
TIOWHERE
IS THE _-
IN
THOSE
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NO.
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IS
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P'ESEI\TTEUL
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YOU/F.E NOT
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YOUR
-_
T]IAT IS
AIT PTr:HT
CORPECT.
-l
NORMAN AND
A BIT.
MS. JACKSON:
YES.
DOCTOR
BY MS. JACKSON:
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THIS
13
PERSON ?
] DON'T
KNOVi THAT
__ I MEAN, I -_ I _- I HAVEN'T
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EOR
THE
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THAT
LEVEL OF HOSPITALIZAT]OI'J
IS
IS -- THAT IS
RESERVED FOR
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AT
HOME?
CORRECT
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THAT THE
SEVERITY OF ILL\]ESS
SOP]EONE
REQU]RES HOSP]TALIZATION.
IS IN
AND
__
SOMEONE WHO
_-
MEDICAL ILLNESS.
THE HOSPITAL,
IN TALK]NG _-
IN
THE
IN
CAN
HOSP]TAL. IE iT __ ]E
]T ]S OF THE SEVERITY
SPEAKING OF THE
_-
THAT USUALLY
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REVENGE]FUL STALKEP., WHEN YOU HAVE
]S
ENGAGING
IN TH]S
YOU
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GOING TO BE CONTACTED?
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KNOW THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH YOU?
YOU' RE COINC TO PE
YES.
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r.^lAS
IT
CERTAIN BEHAVIORS
YES, IN THAT
X, I'M
GET
THAT
I'{EETINGS UNTIL
_-
THERE WAS
STATEMENT THAT
IE I
]'M
BACK
IN
I'{Y
IT'S I'M
HOME.
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GOING TO GO TO THE
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IT COULD. AT THE
IS
THAT THIS
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]S AN OBSESSION. THIS IS
13
STALKER
14
STUCK
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17
CAUSED ENOUGH
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HAVE
THE
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PARISI IS TIIAT A
WOULD
DON,T
__
THE
BE RELAYED TO M]CHAEL
COI-I}ION STI].ATEGY
THAT
WAY OE GETT]NG TO
-_ HE WAS COI\]TACTED
UNDEF.STAND __
THEY
ELSE, UNT]L
I}I
THEMSELVES.
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SOMETH]I.IG THAT'S
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DON,T
iF
-- I
DOIVT
EVEN
MS.
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2
ART EULLY
JACKSON:
IS IT _- IS IT __
IT,
PLEASF].
BASED ON YOUR
IT BE A
TARGET'
S CTRCLE AS A
-_
I'M
THAT. HlS
GOING TO OBJECT TO
10
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HIS TESTIMONY. SO .-
12
DOWN
13
OBJECT TO THAT.
THAT ROAD
IS
RESEI'JTEUL
STALKER. THAT
COMPLETELY
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16
TIME.
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EI.IGAGI\IG
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TOULD
IN
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25
MORE
BEHAV]OR THAT
IS
OE
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TO
THREE.
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WAS
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COMMO},I
SOI.,IEONE
W]TH, TO TRY TO
REACH
Q
ORIGINAL
MS.
THE COURT:
NOTH]NG EURTHER.
JACKSON
YOU.
THE
THE COURT:
MS.
MAY
WI TNES S
I BE EXCUSED,
CAN HE BE EREE TO
JACKSON
YOUR HONOR?
GO? IS HE EREE TO
GO?
10
THE COURT:
11
THE WITNESS
12
THE COURT:
13
MS. JACKSON: NO
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THANK YOU.
WHO'
DON,
T BELIEVE
JUDGE.
THERE,
ANY
OPEN,
IE
IT,S THE
STATE,
YOU WANT.
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21
22
MR. KILGORE.
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CLOSE.
(WHEREUPON, ARGUMENT
25
EVENING.
JUDGtr.
TO
THE COURT:
MS
. JACKSON:
JACKSON.
MS.
I,M
OFE
AND
10
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i,^JHEN
MS
MCCOY
ADMON
I SHMEI'IT S,
AT THE END OF
COULD
THAT
PROBLEMS WE LAWYERS
13
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WEI]T
__ I
WE HAVE
12
15
LEFT
BOND.
_-
STATE]D
A BOND. AND I
ACTUALLY GRANTED
MS. JACKSON TO
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17
PARTY CONTACT.
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:NTO SHOWMANSHIP,
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20
THE HEAD OF
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22
I DON'T
GRAN DSTANDI
IN THIS,
WASN'T
THIS CASE
ON
A PIN.
IF
THERE'S
2i
24
A}]YTHING, AND
25
A HINT OF ANY
CUSTODY.
SHE
]N
AND HERE
] AM FINDING
HEAD OE
TOLEP.ATE
A YES, SIR.
]T.
TEXTED MR.
LEE,
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IN
IS
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THAT SHE
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SI]E'S NOT
14
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TO REVOKE HER
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IE
SHOI"JS
OI,,]N REPORT
COI4PLYING
-.
OP. DOESN'T
__ ISN'T
O}J ANY
IT IS, I'M
GOING
BOND.
YOU'RE GOING TO
I WILL TELL
F]LE
EOR
BOND CO},]SIDERATION IN
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THE EUTURE,
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CASE BEFORE
20
ll
BE
I'LL
YOU THAT
CONS] DER
BOND.
THAT'S MY DECISION.
(CONCLUSION OE BOND REVOCATION HEARII\lG.
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107
HEP.
CERTIFICATE
2
J
A
GEORGIA
COBB COUNTY
DOWN
THROUGH
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/'(// /
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INTERESTED
IN
IN
REPRESENT
10
SAID PARTIES;
ANSWERS
TRUE AND
SAID WITNESSES
AM NOT
KIN
IN
REGULAR
THE
NOR AM
UPON
OR
I IN
ANYWISE
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16
!./
/'/
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THIS, THF
I,
DAY OF
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21
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22
G.
2f
ROBERT
1A
CERT]F]ED COURT
25
(B-407
HALVORSON
REPORTER
2016.