Tnh din tch ct thp bng Etabs

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C BS8110-97 v TCVN356-2005 u tnh ton cu kin b tng ct thp da trn l thuyt v trng thi
gii hn (v bn v trng thi s dng). i vi cu kin loi Dm, c BS ln TCVN u thit lp
phng trnh cn bng lc trng thi gii hn, gii phng trnh v tm ra lng ct thp yu cu. i vi
cu kin loi Ct, cch truyn thng c nu ra trong BS l quy i v trng hp lch tm phng vi h
s quy i, bn cnh , BS cng a ra cc biu tng tc dng kim tra kh nng chu lc ca
tit din.
TCVN vn ang cht vt vi vic tnh ton ct chu nn lch tm xin, tuy nhin a ra iu kin tng
qut, v cng thc cho php xc nh ng sut ca ct thp ph thuc vo v tr ca ng gii hn vng
nn. Nhng nm gn y, cc nghin cu v vic xy dng biu tng tc t c nhiu kt qu,
bn cnh l quy trnh tnh ton ct thp theo phng php ng dn da vo biu tng tc. Chng
ta hon ton gii cbi ton khung BTCT theo TC356! Nhng trc ht hy tn dng Etabs ci .
Mc d Etabs khng cung cp la chn tiu chun TCVN356 trong tnh ton ct thp, nhng t nhng
im chung ca hai tiu chun nh ni trn, chng ta hon ton c th dng Etabs + BS8110-97 +
Ti trng VN + Vt liu VN -> Ct thp theo TCVN356
Nghe c v mu thun, nhng nu bn c BS, bn bit rng nguyn tc tnh ton ca BS cng ging VN,
v nu bn lm th, bn s khng nghi ng iu .
1. u tin l khai bo tiu chun BS8110-97, nhng sa i hai thng s gim hot ti v gii hn s
dng (tm dch)

2. Khai bo t hp thit k l t hp theo tiu chun vit nam

3. Thay di vt liu theo tiu chun Vit Nam

Bn cn bit, mc d BS yu cu bn nhp hai thng s v cng Vt Liu l fcu (cng c trng
ca b tng, tng ng vi cp bn. V d: B15 l 15MPa, B20 l 20MPa) v fy (gii hn chy ca ct
thp) Tuy nhin gi tr tnh ton ca vt liu theo BS c ly nh sau:
- i vi B tng: cng tnh ton = 0.67*fcu/1.5
- i vi Ct thp: cng tnh ton = fy/1.05
y 1.5 v 1.05 l h s an ton ring cho B tng v Ct thp
Suy ngc li, nu bn mun khai bo vt liu theo tiu chun Vit Nam, bn cn khai bo cng tnh
ton nhn vi cc h s trn. V d:
- Vi B15, R=85 kG/cm2 -> fcu khai bo s bng: 85*1.5/0.67 = 190.3 kG/cm3
- Vi B20, R=115 kG/cm2 -> fcu khai bo s bng: 115*1.5/0.67 = 257.5 kG/cm2
- Vi B25, R=145 kG/cm2 -> fcu khai bo s bng: 145*1.5/0.67 = 324.6 kG/cm2
- Vi AII, R=2800 kG/cm2 -> fy khai bo s bng: 2800*1.05 = 2940 kG/cm2
- Vi AIII, R=3650 kG/cm2 -> fy khai bo s bng: 3650*1.05 = 3832.5 kG/cm2
y fcu v fy c khai theo tiu chun Vit Nam quy i ln, khng phi theo con s ng vi
ngha ca n nh trong BS.

4. Kt qu so snh

Bn d dng so snh kt qu tnh ton thp dm thy chng chnh bng kt qu tnh bng Excel theo
356.
Ring i vi thp ct, do BS tnh ton nh hng ca un dc khc bit so vi 356, nn kt qu tnh ton
c i cht sai khc. Sau y l so snh gia Etabs (BS8110), v Column Analysis (theo 356)

Ch con s 14.4 theo Etabs v 18 theo Column Analysis u l ct thp ly theo cu to

Cm n Jin v bi vit tht hay. Ci bng Access trn, Tue_NV mi thy ln u. Jin c th cho bit lm
sao c c bng thp Access trn c khng? Thy l phn mm Column Analysis to ra. Mnh
c th tm c, download v s dng n u?
Cm n Jin ln na.
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??? v em chc l Net import mdb ch khng phi l bng Access bc Tu i ^^
Link
Bn c th Download theo link m ktxu gi, hoc c th ti y
Mnh so snh biu tng tc do Etabs theo BS trong mc Section Design vi biu tng tc ca
mnh th thy s khc bit l rt t (c th l do phng php gn ng khi lp biu ). Bn cnh , khi
so snh kt qu tnh thp ct ca Etab i vi cc ct c mnh b (ct ngn), th thy ct thp rt ging
nhau. iu ny cho thy phng php xy dng biu tng tc ca VN v quy trnh tnh thp theo
phng php ng dn c thnh qu ang mng
Vi Column Analysis, bn c th chn so snh tnh ton cc ct chn ra trng hp nguy him nht,
bng cch click thm cc tn ct khc a vo mc 'Cc ct s thit k'
Vi Column Analysis, bn c th chn so snh tnh ton cc ct chn ra trng hp nguy him nht,
bng cch click thm cc tn ct khc a vo mc 'Cc ct s thit k'

Download: Column Analysis

Download: BTT - Ct tit din ch nht (Excel)

thank bn Jin! bi vit ca bn rt hay

Tng t bi vit ca bn Jin nu tnh theo tiu chun ACI ta khai bo:

f'c=1.3 Rn
fy=1.1 Rs
Ah nh bn tr li gim mnh cu ny nh!
Tiu chun Bs ly h s t hp TT,HT l 1.4, 1.6
Tiu chun 356 ly h s t hp TT,HT l 1.1, 1.2
Xem nh cng ti tiu chun th l ni lc tnh ton Bs gp 1.3 ni lc tnh ton ca 356
bi h i tnh thp:
cng l B25 nu tnh theo Bs phi nhp fcu=25mpa, tnh theo 356 li nhp fcu=32.46mpa
cng l thp AIII nu tnh theo Bs phi nhp fy=365mpa, tnh theo 356 li nhp fy=383mpa
Xem nh cng vt liu th cng vt liu bs ly nh hn 356 l 1.3 ln.
Nh vy cng ti trng v vt liu th tiu chun Bs an ton hn tiu chun 356 gp
1.3^2=1.7ln???????????????

Theo l lun thng thng s l nh th. Tuy nhin, mnh cng cha tm c tiu chun v ti trng ca
BS so snh xem ti trng ca BS c khc bit g so vi TCVN khng. Bn cnh cng khng bit
cng trnh thit k theo BS th thi hn s dng cng trnh c khc vi VN khng (v c th n nh hng
ti h s an ton). Bn cnh , BS cng cho php gim hot ti vi mc ti a l 50%
Ni chung bi vit trn ca mnh ch l mt cch thc dng p dng BS vo tnh ton ct thp trn c
s tm hiu cc cng thc tnh ton ca BS8110-97, cn v vic thit k cng trnh theo tiu chun Anh,
th khng ch c mi BS8110 m c th lm c
Phn mm Column Analysis ly d liu t Etabs (tit din, ni lc), khng phn bit khung khng gian hay
khung phng. Trn thc t cng cha thy ai dng Etabs gii bi ton khung phng.
Nh trnh by trn, khi ni "kt qu ca Etabs", cn lm r kt qu l sn phm ca quy trnh tnh
ton no, v cc thng s c s dng ra sao...
anh c th xem cho e ci file etabs ny sao kq so vi column analyis li khc nhiu vy. e dng phin bn
9.6. Chnh lch nhiu thp vy e s ci nh sp lm Thanks a nhiu.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/tbfqzb8e782d8w7/001.EDB
Bc ch e cch import qua column analysis nh. Em lm m khng uc, n ton bo li, mc d e xut t
etabs ra file *.mdb.
Mong sm nhn hi m ca bc
Y : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXaFpWRNNs
Phin bn ny bc cha cho s dng chc nng EXPORT sao?
Nu s dng 0ffice2007, bn c th export ra excel,
Thc ra mnh ang li qu
Chc thi gian ti s vit thm on m
ln u tin mnh bit ci ny Column analyis
Mnh dng Etaps cng cha thc s rnh lm. mong c hc hi
.... Phn mm ny c tnh thp cvt cho etabs khung ko gian ko? sao ti tnh kt qu chng trnh ny so
vi kt qu ca etab th kq thp ca etabs gp 2 ln

Phn mm Column Analysis ly d liu t Etabs (tit din, ni lc), khng phn bit khung
khng gian hay khung phng. Trn thc t cng cha thy ai dng Etabs gii bi ton khung phng.
Nh trnh by trn, khi ni "kt qu ca Etabs", cn lm r kt qu l sn phm ca quy trnh tnh
ton no, v cc thng s c s dng ra sao...
C kh nhiu sai st trong file Etabs ca bn khin cho kt qu thu c l khc nhau. Bn cn nh: tht
t m khi khai bo trong Etabs!
- Khai bo ng cng vt liu, B20 bn ly fcu = 240 kG/cm2, trong khi cn khai l 257.5 kG/cm2 (c
phn trn)
- Modul n hi ca B20 l 27000 MPa, trong khi bn vn gi nguyn gi tr ca Etabs (nh hng n
vic xc nh tc dng ca un dc)
- Khai bo ng lp bo v b tng cho cc tit din
- Khng dng t hp bao tnh ton. Bn cn ch : t hp bao ch l ghi nhn cc gi tr cc tr, khng
phi l cc gi tr tng ng!!!
Cui cng, vi bi ton c mnh tng i ln (L>10B), tiu chun BS c s khc bit v tnh ton
mnh, khin gi tr m men tng ln tng i nhiu so vi TCVN.
Mi yu t khin kt qu thm mt phn sai lch, v tng hp li l iu bn thy. Mt ln na, khi dng
m hnh trong Etabs, hy t m mt cht bn nh!
Ring i vi bi ton ca bn, ti nhn nhn ct thp tnh ra c khng phi l ln