THAO LUAN TINH MONG COC XAY CHEN

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thanhphong2001

Thc mc v cch b tr thp mng cc lch tm?

Ti s dng phn mm SAFE tnh ton v b tr thp cho mng cc lch tm i vi nh xy

chen. Th thy rng thp trn lun ln hn thp di (ging vi ging mng). Nhng ti c xem
mt s h s thit k th thy h b tr thp di lun ln hn thp trn (thp trn ch l cu to
thi), mc d l mng lch tm v cc ko th p st nh bn cnh c. Xin hi quan im ca
ti vy c ng ko, xin ch ti cch b tr thp hp l. Xin chn thnh cm n!

ksminh
c th quan nim th ny . Khi tnh ton mng lch tm do nh xy chen . Th ngi ta tnh h
ging chng li lch tm . Cn thp t di mng mc ch tnh kiu consonle vi Mmen
l P*a vi a l khong cch t tim cc n ging mng ( vUNG GC VI GING MNG) Thp
ny ln hn thp song song vi ging mng lch tm . Cn khi ging chie mmen lch
tm hon ton th khng cn thp chu lc bn trn mng .
Cn tnh ton safe th nu lm cho cc khng b nh nh lc mi dm tnh ton nh mng
thng thng . Tnh theo safe nn a h ging vo . Nhng mmen vn rt ln trn mng .
Khi tnh theo safe th cc m t bng Gi l so . Nn i lc c th m phng chnh xc hn . Cn
tnh tay th xem nh l cc khng ln . v gc xoay l tm nhm cc . Nh vy mmen s tnh
ta tm nhm cc n ct . Nhng tnh tay khng th tnh tng th c shell vi frame nh safe
c . Thng tnh tay p dng cho d n nh . Cn d n ln nn theo SAFE.

thanhphong2001
Vy theo anh th nn chn phng n b tr thp no th hp l nht. V trong Safe em th c
2 trng hp v ging mng n mp mng v v ging mng n ct th moment trong mng
hu nh ko thay i nhiu. Vy theo anh cch v ging mng nh th no hp l nht (n mp
mng hay n ct lun). Thanks!

huycdc
Theo Ti, khng th tr li c ngay l c i cc lch tm l thp trn s nhiu hay l t hn
thp di. B tr bao nhiu cn ph thuc nhiu yu t, chng hn o lch tm, khong cch
gia cc cc b tr nh th no, ln ca dm (ging mng) ...
- R rng i vi i cc bnh thng (khng b lch tm do xy chen), c tm ct trng vi tm
h cc th thp trn s ch cn b tr cu to, chng nt khi BT khi ln.
- Khi bt u c s lch tm do tm ct khng trng tm h cc th cc tnh ton ch ra l cn
phi b tr thp trn ca i cc theo tnh ton, k c thp ca ging mng theo phng lch tm
na. Khi a vo m hnh tnh nh bn KS Minh ni th nen a c dm mng vo tnh cng.
Khi s thy r m men m trong dm mng tng mnh v cn b tr thp trn cho dm mng.
Thp ca ging mng cn phi neo su vo pha trong ca ct.

ksminh
Khi tnh tay , bn khng xt nh hng cng ca i mng , m ch tnh cho ging mng chu
ton b . Nu quan nim cc khng ln cht no . Th lc ny thp cc k ln ti ging mng . C
th tic kim khi xem tit din ging mng bng i mng . Nhng phi kim tra ti v tr mmen
dao gia ging v i .
Theo kinh nghim . Ti a h ging vo mc ch lm cho phn lc cc cc hng cc gn ct
gim bt . v n s phn phi ti trng v pha ngoi cc cc kia . Nu phn lc cc gn ct
khng gim . Tc l h ging a vo khng hp l th mmen trong i vn khng thay i .
Nu gim nhiu th mmen s thay i . Nu gii trong safe . c th khai bo cng cc Kcoc =
v cng . th c th gn ng vi tnh tay .

ngoctan_q
Cc bc cho em hi, nu tnh ton mng lch tm chn vt trong safe (mng n thi). nu ko c
b (dm, ging) c c ko? (trng hp ko c dm mng pha di) c n ko? v tnh trong safe
ng l phn thp b tr theo cnh di li c khong cch ln hn so vi phng cnh ngn! Vn
ny nu ta quan nim phn lc nn th P*a th thp theo phng cnh ngn nm di mi
ng ch?

thanhvqh
thuc ra ban phai xac dinh k coc sao cho phan luc tai moi coc nho hon suc chiu tai cua coc(c bit
i vi mng lch tm).sau do ban moi chon h s k hp l nht ri mi a vo safe tnh (ban
nen dng se v8 tnh truc,sau dng saev12 tnh li v i lc se v12 no bi loi

thanhphong2001
Mnh khai bo Kcoc = v cng bng cch no vy anh. Em c th cho cc khng ln bng cch
khng ch chuyn v theo phng ng ca nt (chuyn cc gi l xo thnh gi) th thy rng
moment trong cc ging mng li rt nh? Nh anh gii thch thm...

ksminh
khai bo gi cho cc l xem nh cc c K= v cng . nu khai bo th m ging mng ca bn
khng c mmen . Th s tnh ca bn c vn . Hoc l i mng qu ln dn n n chu
d sc ri . Nn khai bo gi c nh kt hp gi di ng .

thanhphong2001
Em cng chnh th lm trong SAFE m vn ko c, ko bit sai ch no. M em ngh rng nu
cc ko ln th dn n mng cng s ln t nn ni lc trong ging mng s nh.

ksminh
v nguyn tc . Khi 1 lc tc dng vo frame cch gi ta 1 on A th phi sinh mmen M=P*A .
Nu bc a gng vo m khng thy g ht . Chng t mng khng c lch tm no ht .
xem li m hnh i hay post ln y

tuntnguyen
Ti ngh bn nn tm tt m hnh kt cu ri post ln din n cho mi ngi cng kin c th.
Ti thy c t trn xung rt nhiu kin...

thanhphong2001
Mnh cng ngh vy nhng thc t ngi ta ch b tr thp tp trung vo ging mng nhng kt
qu SAFE th phi b tr trong mng na => Dn n d thp nhiu.

CongCuong
Bn cha hiu mnh ni y :
VD: ci mng bng, ta c th a thp dm mng ra cnh hoc nm trn dm bng. Tuy nhin,
nu ch tnh ton trn dm bng th phi t thp trn cnh theo cu to.
Bn xem dm v i nh 1 ck chu lc. Khi thp trong dm chu lc ri th lm sao mp trn
ca i b x nt c (trong trng hp i c b tr thp theo cu to). Tt nhin khi b tr thp
chu m men ra i nhiu hn th thp trn ging i t li. Nhng ti mp i, thp dm i s l
ln nht do ti i ht tham gia chu lc.