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Hello everyone,
today, we are going to have a look at what Russian players AndrasD and Devilhunter did to find out the
camo value of vehicles in game. Original thread can be found here, but I wont put everything they wrote
here (its some very detailed analysis), I will stick to the most important parts.
To begin with, in 0.8.6 the camo system changed somewhat and old camo values could no longer be
applied (the factor got hidden even for the tanks we already knew the camo factor of). That meant that
datamining was no longer viable in order to find what type of camouflage that respective tank has. That left
testing as the only real option. The players mentioned above thus devised a following system I wont
pretend that I understand how exactly it works, but the general idea is following:
You take the viewrange of a vehicle (please keep in mind however that maximum spotting range is 445m),
you deduct 50 meters from it (the range where you get spotted automatically) and the rest, you apply the
camo percentage bonus on (or camo factor) by deducting the percentage from the (viewrange 50m).
Basically, if a vehicle has a standing camo factor of say 10 percent and you are spotting with a 350
viewrange tank, that means the vehicle will under ideal conditions, you first deduct 50m: you are left with
300 and then reduce the 300 by ten percent. In other words, youll spot the vehicle at 320m instead.
Thats of course without camo net, bushes and all that other stuff.
In reality, its much more complicated than that, so the following tables are meant only to show you what
vehicle has relatively good camo and how its camo does compared to, say, Panzer IV or other vehicles of
its tier or how shooting influences the camo factor (note that for example standing WT RhB has very
good camo factor like StuG, but when it shoots, it drops significantly).
Japanese tank camo is at the end of the list, Soviet new med camo is there too. All camo measured
for top gun and top turret.
Germany
Type
Tier
Name
Standing
Moving
Shooting
Gu
Leichttraktor
13,4%
10,1%
3,4%
3,
15,7%
11,8%
4,0%
3,
Pz.Kpfw. II
15,1%
11,3%
3,4%
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L
L
2
2
Pz.Kpfw. I
Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t)
16,2%
15,2%
12,1%
11,4%
3,8%
3,9%
2
3,
T-15
19,7%
19,7%
5,9%
3,
L
L
3
3
Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. J
Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t)
17,4%
18,0%
13,1%
13,5%
4,9%
5,2%
2
4,
18,0%
18,0%
5,2%
L
L
3
3
Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. G
Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. C
18,6%
19,0%
18,6%
19,0%
3,9%
5,3%
3
7,
L
L
4
4
17,6%
17,1%
17,6%
17,1%
4,6%
3,6%
5
3
VK 16.02 Leopard
16,9%
16,9%
3,5%
VK 28.01
14,3%
14,3%
3,0%
10
Aufklrungspanzer Panther
10,9%
10,9%
2,8%
7,
14,3%
10,7%
4,1%
4,
Pz.Kpfw. III
16,4%
12,3%
4,5%
M
M
4
5
VK 20.01 (D)
T-25
15,9%
13,1%
11,9%
9,8%
4,4%
3,4%
5
7,
Pz.Kpfw. III/IV
14,0%
10,5%
3,5%
7,
M
M
5
6
Pz.Kpfw. IV
Pz.Kpfw. V/IV
14,9%
10,6%
11,2%
7,9%
3,1%
2,6%
10
7,
Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm
13,1%
9,8%
3,2%
7,
M
M
6
6
VK 30.01 (D)
VK 30.01 (P)
14,0%
9,7%
10,5%
7,3%
3,3%
2,3%
7,
8,
M
M
6
7
VK 30.02 (M)
Panther/M10
9,6%
9,4%
7,2%
7,1%
2,2%
2,3%
7,
7,
VK 30.02 (D)
12,9%
9,7%
3,1%
8,
M
M
7
8
Pz.Kpfw. V Panther
Panther II
9,4%
9,7%
7,1%
7,3%
2,2%
2,3%
7,
8,
Indien-Panzer
11,9%
8,9%
2,7%
M
M
9
9
Leopard prototyp A
E-50
14,6%
9,1%
11,0%
6,8%
3,1%
1,9%
10
10
10
Leopard 1
14,3%
10,7%
3,0%
10
10
E-50 Ausf. M
10,0%
7,5%
2,1%
10
7,5%
3,8%
2,2%
4,
Durchbruchswagen 2
7,5%
3,8%
2,0%
7,
VK 30.01 (H)
7,3%
3,7%
1,9%
7,
H
H
6
7
VK 36.01 (H)
Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger
6,5%
6,9%
3,2%
3,5%
1,5%
1,6%
8,
8,
H
H
7
8
6,9%
4,0%
3,5%
2,0%
1,6%
0,8%
8,
10
4,3%
2,2%
0,9%
10
H
H
8
9
Pz.Kpfw. Tiger II
E-75
4,6%
4,3%
2,3%
2,2%
0,9%
0,7%
10
12
4,3%
2,2%
0,7%
12
H
H
10
10
E-100
Maus
3,1%
1,4%
1,6%
0,7%
0,4%
0,2%
15
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TD
Panzerjger I
19,4%
11,6%
7,0%
4,
TD
TD
3
4
Marder II
Hetzer
21,4%
24,0%
12,9%
14,4%
7,5%
7,1%
7,
10
TD
Marder 38T
19,3%
11,6%
6,8%
7,
TD
TD
5
5
StuG III
Pz.Sfl.IVc
21,9%
12,8%
13,1%
7,7%
7,7%
4,5%
7,
8,
TD
Dicker Max
16,9%
10,1%
5,0%
10
TD
JagdPz IV
23,8%
14,3%
8,3%
8,
TD
Nashorn
12,4%
7,4%
4,0%
8,
TD
TD
7
7
E-25
Jagdpanther
25,1%
13,1%
15,1%
7,9%
8,8%
3,9%
7,
10
TD
Pz.Sfl.V
11,3%
6,8%
2,5%
12
TD
TD
8
8
10,7%
10,2%
6,4%
6,1%
2,4%
2,7%
8,
12
TD
Ferdinand
10,9%
6,5%
2,9%
12
TD
Rhm.-Borsig Waffentrger
22,5%
13,5%
4,6%
15
TD
Jagdtiger
10,7%
6,4%
2,8%
12
TD
15,7%
9,4%
3,2%
15
TD
10
JagdPz E-100
3,0%
1,8%
0,5%
17
TD
10
0,4%
0,2%
0,1%
12
Arty
16,1%
8,1%
3,0%
10
ry
ry
3
3
Wespe
Sturmpanzer I Bison
16,2%
8,9%
8,1%
4,5%
3,4%
1,3%
10
15
ry
Pz.Sfl. IVb
16,8%
8,4%
3,5%
10
ry
Sturmpanzer II
17,3%
8,7%
2,6%
15
ry
Grille
15,7%
7,9%
2,4%
15
ry
Hummel
12,2%
6,1%
1,7%
15
ry
G.W. Panther
4,0%
2,0%
0,5%
15
ry
3,7%
1,9%
0,3%
21
ry
ry
9
10
G.W. Tiger
G.W. E 100
5,1%
1,7%
2,6%
0,9%
0,4%
0,1%
21
21
Name
Standing
Moving
Shooting
Gu
USA
Type
Tier
T1 Cunningham
12,8%
9,6%
2,9%
20
L
L
2
2
T2 Light Tank
T7 Combat Car
15,1%
13,5%
11,3%
10,1%
3,4%
3,2
20
Br
T1E6
14,6%
11,0%
2,8%
37
M2 Light Tank
13,6%
10,2%
3,5%
37
M22 Locust
20,4%
20,4%
6,1%
37
L
L
3
4
M3 Stuart
M5 Stuart
15,3%
17,1%
15,3%
17,1%
4,6%
4,4%
37
75
M24 Chaffee
13,9%
13,9%
3,3%
76
T21
15,4%
15,4%
3,8%
76
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T71
14,3%
14,3%
3,3%
76
M
M
2
3
T2 Medium Tank
M2 Medium Tank
10,3%
12,2%
7,7%
9,2%
2,6%
3,2%
37
75
M3 Lee
8,0%
6,0%
2,1%
75
M
M
5
5
M4A2E4 Sherman
Ram II
12,0%
12,9%
9,0%
9,7%
3,1%
3,6%
75
QF
M4 Sherman
12,9%
9,7%
2,8%
10
M
M
5
6
M7
M4A3E8 Sherman
14,9%
12,6%
11,2%
9,5%
4,2%
3,1%
QF
76
11,5%
8,6%
2,5%
10
M
M
7
8
T20
T26E4 SuperPershing
16,3%
13,4%
12,2%
10,1%
3,9%
3,0%
90
90
T69
12,9%
9,7%
3,1%
90
M26 Pershing
13,0%
9,8%
2,9%
90
M46 Patton
13,4%
10,1%
2,7%
10
M
M
9
10
T54E1
M60
10,0%
7,0%
7,5%
5,3%
2,0%
1,5%
10
10
10
M48A1 Patton
8,6%
6,5%
1,8%
10
T14
8,0%
4,0%
2,1%
75
H
H
5
6
T1 Heavy Tank
M6
4,6%
4,9%
2,3%
2,5%
1,2%
1,2%
76
90
T29
5,1%
2,6%
1,1%
10
H
H
8
8
M6A2E1
T34
1,1%
4,3%
0,6%
2,2%
0,2%
0,8%
10
12
H
H
8
9
T32
M103
6,0%
4,9%
3,0%
2,5%
1,3%
0,9%
10
12
10
T110E5
4,6%
2,3%
0,8%
12
10
5,1%
2,6%
0,9%
12
TD
TD
2
3
T18
T82
19,4%
24,1%
13,7%
14,5%
6,3%
7,4%
75
10
TD
T40
21,0%
12,6%
7,6%
76
TD
TD
4
5
M8A1
T49
22,0%
20,9%
13,2%
12,5%
8,3%
7,6%
57
76
TD
M10 Wolverine
18,0%
10,8%
6,3%
76
TD
M36 Jackson
17,4%
10,4%
5,9%
90
TD
M18 Hellcat
21,1%
12,7%
7,4%
90
TD
T25 AT
19,7%
11,8%
5,9%
10
TD
TD
7
8
T25/2
T28
18,3%
18,3%
11,0%
11,0%
5,9%
5,5%
90
12
TD
TD
8
9
T28 Prototype
T95
12,6%
18,3%
7,6%
11,0%
3,8%
4,1%
12
15
TD
T30
9,2%
5,5%
2,1%
15
TD
TD
10
10
T110E4
T110E3
9,1%
10,3%
5,5%
6,2%
2,1%
2,3%
15
15
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ry
T57
15,9%
7,9%
3,5%
3-
ry
ry
3
4
M7 Priest
M37
12,6%
14,4%
6,3%
7,2%
2,8%
3,2%
10
10
ry
M41
16,6%
8,3%
2,5%
15
ry
ry
6
7
M44
M12
10,0%
12,0%
5,0%
6,0%
1,5%
1,7%
15
15
ry
M40/M43
10,6%
5,3%
0,9%
8-
ry
M53/M55
6,3%
3,2%
0,5%
8-
ry
10
T92
8,0%
4,0%
0,5%
24
Type
Tier
Name
Standing
Shooting
Gu
L
L
1
2
S-1
trrch
15,0%
15,7%
11,3%
11,8%
3,7%
4,0%
45
QF
L
L
2
2
-60
B-2
17,5%
15,0%
13,1%
11,2%
4,4%
3,8%
37
37
-26
13,8%
10,4%
3,5%
37
15,2%
15,2%
4,6%
37
-127
18,0%
13,5%
5,2%
45
B-V
16,9%
12,7%
4,9%
45
B-7
16,5%
16,5%
5,0%
37
LP
20,2%
15,1%
5,9%
45
-46
16,1%
12,1%
4,4%
45
L
L
3
4
-70
Valentine II
17,6%
18,0%
13,2%
18,0%
4,9%
5,2%
45
45
L
L
4
4
-20
-80
16,3%
18,3%
16,3%
18,3%
4,5%
5,1%
45
45
-50
17,7%
17,7%
4,9%
45
-25
14,9%
14,9%
4,0%
57
M
M
4
4
-32
-28
16,0%
11,7%
12,0%
8,8%
4,2%
3,1%
76
57
Matilda IV
15,1%
11,3%
3,9%
76
M
M
5
6
-34
-34-85
14,6%
14,3%
11,0%
10,7%
3,9%
3,4%
57
85
-43
12,2%
9,2%
3,2%
76
M
M
7
7
-43
V-13
14,9%
15,4%
11,2%
11,6%
3,5%
3,7%
85
85
-44
12,6%
9,5%
2,8%
10
-44
16,2%
12,1%
3,4%
10
bjc 416
24,2%
14,5%
4,8%
10
M
MT
9
9
-54
Object 430 V2
15,7%
16,6%
11,8%
12,4%
3,3%
2,6%
10
10
10
bjc 140
16,7%
12,5%
3,3%
10
10
-62
15,4%
11,6%
3,0%
10
USSR
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MT
10
Object 430
17,8%
13,4%
3,5%
10
H
H
5
5
V-220
Churchill III
7,4%
8,0%
3,7%
4,0%
1,9%
2,2%
76
QF
V-1
7,4%
3,7%
1,9%
85
H
H
6
6
-150
V-1S
6,6%
7,1%
3,3%
3,6%
1,5%
1,3%
10
12
V-2
4,3%
2,2%
0,6%
15
H
H
7
7
V-3
I
6,3%
8,3%
3,2%
4,2%
1,2%
1,6%
12
12
V-5
3,4%
1,7%
0,7%
10
H
H
8
8
IS-6
V-4
7,1%
2,3%
3,6%
1,2%
1,3%
0,5%
12
10
IS-3
7,1%
3,6%
1,3%
12
IS-8
6,3%
3,2%
1,1%
12
S-I
6,3%
3,2%
1,1%
12
H
H
10
10
IS-7
IS-4
6,9%
6,9%
3,5%
3,5%
1,1%
1,2%
13
12
TD
-1
21,2%
12,7%
7,4%
57
TD
SU-76
22,5%
13,5%
8,8%
57
TD
TD
4
5
SU-85B
SU-85
22,6%
22,3%
13,6%
13,4%
7,6%
7,5%
85
85
TD
SU-100Y
6,7%
4,0%
1,5%
13
TD
TD
6
7
SU-100
SU-122-44
22,1%
21,7%
13,2%
13,0%
6,0%
5,9%
12
12
TD
TD
7
7
SU-152
SU-1001
16,5%
20,2%
9,9%
12,1%
3,3%
6,0%
15
10
TD
IU-152
15,1%
9,1%
3,4%
15
TD
TD
8
9
SU-101
SU-122-54
20,3%
22,0%
12,2%
13,2%
4,9%
5,7%
10
12
TD
Object 704
17,7%
10,6%
4,0%
15
TD
TD
10
10
Object 263
Object 268
14,3%
16,6%
8,6%
10,0%
3,6%
3,9%
13
15
ry
SU-18
13,2%
6,6%
2,8%
76
ry
SU-26
13,4%
6,7%
3,5%
76
ry
SU-5
15,0%
7,5%
2,3%
15
ry
SU-122
16,3%
8,2%
2,3%
15
ry
SU-8
8,3%
4,2%
1,1%
15
ry
ry
7
7
SU-14-1
S-51
7,4%
4,9%
3,7%
2,4%
0,6%
0,4%
20
20
ry
ry
8
9
SU-14-2
212
3,7%
3,7%
1,9%
1,9%
0,3%
0,3%
20
20
ry
10
Object 261
6,6%
3,3%
0,8%
18
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Type
Tier
Name
Standing
Moving
Shooting
Gu
Renault FT
13,6%
10,2%
4,0%
25
L
L
2
2
D1
Hotchkiss H35
12,8%
15,7%
9,6%
11,8%
3,7%
4,6%
25
25
AMX 38
16,0%
12,0%
4,6%
47
L
L
4
5
AMX 40
ELC AMX
13,4%
22,0%
10,1%
22,0%
3,5%
5,2%
75
90
AMX 12 t
18,3%
18,3%
4,3%
75
L
L
7
8
AMX 13 75
AMX 13 90
18,0%
17,7%
18,0%
17,7%
4,2%
4,2%
75
90
D2
12,7%
9,5%
3,7%
47
Lorraine 40 t
12,0%
9,0%
2,4%
10
10
Bat.-Chtillon 25 t
17,1%
12,8%
3,4%
10
H
H
4
5
B1
BDR G1 B
7,5%
6,6%
3,7%
3,3%
2,2%
1,7%
47
90
ARL 44
5,3%
2,6%
1,2%
90
AMX M4 mle. 45
6,6%
3,3%
1,5%
90
FCM 50 t
4,6%
2,3%
1,0%
90
AMX 50 100
5,7%
2,9%
1,1%
10
AMX 50 120
4,9%
2,5%
0,7%
12
10
AMX 50 B
4,0%
2,0%
0,6%
12
Renault FT AC
14,7%
8,8%
5,3%
47
3
3
FCM 36 Pak 40
Renault UE 57
18,6%
27,1%
11,2%
16,3%
6,5%
9,9%
7,
6-
Somua SAu 40
16,1%
9,7%
5,0%
10
S35 CA
21,4%
12,8%
6,4%
10
ARL V39
16,6%
10,0%
4,9%
90
AMX AC mle. 46
10,6%
6,4%
3,0%
10
8
9
AMX AC mle. 48
AMX 50 Foch
13,4%
14,0%
8,0%
8,4%
3,5%
3,6%
12
12
10
14,0%
8,4%
3,2%
15
ry
Renault FT 75 BS
13,9%
7,0%
3,1%
75
ry
ry
3
4
Lorraine 39L AM
AMX 105 AM mle. 47
17,6%
19,3%
8,8%
9,7%
3,9%
4,0%
10
10
ry
105 leFH18B2
7,7%
3,9%
1,6%
10
ry
14,6%
7,3%
3,1%
10
ry
AMX 13 F3 AM
18,0%
9,0%
2,4%
Ca
ry
ry
7
8
8,6%
11,1%
4,3%
5,6%
1,2%
1,6%
Ob
Ca
ry
Bat.-Chtillon 155 55
7,1%
3,6%
1,0%
Ca
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Bat.-Chtillon 155 58
12,0%
6,0%
1,7%
Ca
Type
Tier
Name
Standing
Moving
Shooting
Gu
Cruiser Mk. I
12,7%
9,5%
2,5%
40
12,9%
9,7%
3,3%
QF
Cruiser Mk. II
14,9%
11,2%
3,7%
3.
Cruiser Mk. IV
15,4%
11,6%
3,5%
QF
L
L
4
4
Covenanter
Valentine
16,8%
17,9%
16,8%
13,4%
3,8%
4,8%
QF
QF
Crusader
16,9%
16,9%
4,5%
QF
8,0%
6,0%
1,9%
QF
M
M
2
3
9,3%
11,9%
7,0%
8,9%
2,2%
3,6%
QF
QF
Matilda
15,1%
11,3%
4,3%
QF
M
M
5
6
14,3%
14,6%
10,7%
11,0%
3,8%
3,6%
QF
75
Comet
15,1%
11,3%
3,7%
OQ
M
M
8
9
Centurion Mk. I
Centurion Mk.7/1
11,4%
11,7%
8,6%
8,8%
2,7%
2,8%
OQ
OQ
10
FV4202
14,0%
10,5%
2,9%
10
Excelsior
8,9%
4,5%
2,2%
75
H
H
5
6
Churchill I
TOG II*
8,3%
5,4%
4,2%
2,7%
2,1%
1,3%
75
OQ
H
H
6
7
Churchill VII
Black Prince
7,7%
7,4%
3,9%
3,7%
1,9%
1,7%
OQ
OQ
Caernarvon
5,4%
2,7%
1,3%
OQ
Conqueror
4,9%
2,5%
0,9%
12
10
FV215b
4,9%
2,5%
0,9%
12
TD
19,5%
11,7%
6,8%
QF
TD
Valentine AT
20,3%
12,2%
7,4%
QF
TD
TD
4
5
Alecto
AT 2
26,9%
17,1%
16,1%
10,3%
9,1%
6,0%
Q.
3.
TD
AT 8
18,3%
11,0%
6,2%
OQ
TD
TD
6
7
15,7%
12,9%
9,4%
7,7%
5,1%
4,4%
OQ
OQ
TD
AT 7
17,4%
10,4%
5,9%
OQ
TD
TD
8
9
AT 15
Tortoise
12,0%
8,9%
7,2%
5,3%
4,1%
2,4%
OQ
12
TD
10
FV215b (183)
10,3%
6,2%
1,9%
18
Britain
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18,6%
9,4%
4,1%
Q.
ry
ry
3
3
Sexton I
Sexton II
14,5%
14,5%
7,3%
7,3%
3,5%
3,5%
Q.
Q.
ry
Birch Gun
14,8%
7,4%
3,7%
Q.
ry
ry
5
6
Bishop
FV304
11,4%
20,0%
5,7%
10,0%
2,4%
4,2%
Q.
Q.
ry
Crusader 5.5-In. SP
16,3%
8,2%
2,3%
B.
ry
FV207
7,7%
3,9%
1,1%
Q.
ry
FV3805
8,2%
4,1%
0,9%
B.
ry
10
6,6%
3,3%
0,4%
B.
Type
Tier
Name
Standing
Moving
Renault NC-31
12,6%
9,5%
3,2%
37
L
L
2
3
14,4%
16,5%
10,8%
12,4%
2,8%
4,6%
40
47
M5A1 Stuart
16,6%
16,6%
4,6%
47
Type 64
15,4%
15,4%
3,8%
76
59-16
17,4%
17,4%
4,3%
76
Type 62
16,6%
16,6%
4,2%
85
WZ-131
16,5%
16,5%
3,6%
10
WZ-132
17,1%
17,1%
3,6%
10
Type T-34
14,6%
11,0%
3,9%
57
Type 58
14,3%
10,7%
3,6%
85
M
M
7
8
T-34-1
Type 59
18,3%
16,0%
13,7%
12,0%
4,0%
3,5%
10
10
T-34-3
14,9%
11,2%
2,8%
12
M
M
8
9
T-34-2
WZ-120
17,1%
15,7%
12,8%
11,8%
3,4%
2,8%
12
12
10
121
15,1%
11,3%
2,7%
12
IS-2
8,0%
4,0%
1,5%
12
H
H
8
8
112
110
6,6%
6,6%
3,3%
3,3%
1,3%
1,3%
12
10
H
H
9
10
6,9%
6,6%
3,5%
3,3%
1,1%
1,2%
13
12
Tier
Name
Standing
Moving
China
Shooting
Gu
Japan
Type
Shooting
Gu
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14,1%
10,6%
3,7%
75
LT
LT
1
2
Renault Otsu
Type 95 Ha-Go
14.0%
15,3%
10,5%
11,5%
3,6%
3,6%
37
5,
LT
Type 98 Ke-Ni
19,3%
19,3%
5,8%
37
LT
MT
4
2
Type 5 Ke-Ho
Chi-Ni
19,2%
16,0%
19,2%
12,0%
5,1%
3,8%
Ex
5,
MT
Type 97 Chi-Ha
16,5%
12,4%
4,8%
47
MT
Type 1 Chi-He
15,4%
11,6%
4,0%
7,
MT
Type 3 Chi-Nu
14,0%
10,5%
3,6%
7,
MT
MT
6
7
Type 4 Chi-To
Type 5 Chi-Ri
12,6%
10,0%
9,4%
7,5%
3,1%
2,5%
7,
7,
MT
STA-1
15,5%
11,6%
3,7%
90
MT
MT
9
10
Type 61
STB-1
9,2%
13,7%
6,9%
10,3%
1,9%
2,9%
10
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ExoNut
on December 18, 2013 at 10:56 am said:
Very interesting but apparently I dont use much camo on my TDs mostly because I just cant find any
reliable data to know if its useful or not and that I dont camp that much , I prefer to support form long range
but its more reliable to just retreat during reload rather than sit there and hope youre not getting spotted.
Besides, High tier TDs have good frontal protection anyway and I dont want to waste crew xp hen resetting
their skills.
Pintr Nndor
on December 18, 2013 at 1:30 pm said:
ExoNut
on December 18, 2013 at 1:36 pm said:
I have it on almost all my tanks but it still doesnt make camo skill for me viable.
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Guardian54
on December 18, 2013 at 11:03 am said:
Well, I guess we just figured out just why Tier 7 LTs in a Tier 10 match get annihilated by the mediums so
easily, if the medium stands still with a bush poof it spots the light FIRST. Tier 8 is only slightly less
helpless.
Umbriellan
on December 18, 2013 at 11:16 am said:
Thank you !
Theodosius
on December 18, 2013 at 1:46 pm said:
UGDK
on December 18, 2013 at 11:19 am said:
Very good work. I guess if you add camonet you can add 25% to sthe standing value?
MordorFool
on December 18, 2013 at 11:21 am said:
Using view range mods is the best way to play a scout or a TD as it allows you to accurately know from which
point you might get spotted.
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Playing a wZ132 or an AMX13-90 as scouts/flankers is still possible except if the battle has far too many tier
9-10 mediums (like T54-T62 and so on) in which case you better wait until they are either spotted or dead.
If, like me, you play paper TDs (T40-borsig tier 8 and so on) you need the following:
. Crew with 100% camo + camo net + binoc + camo paint
. View range mod installed
That way you can safely be the top dmg dealer in almost every battle, always stay at the back but using the
view range mod you are able to advance and relocate so as to support your heavies/mediums while staying
out of spotting range from the enemy.
Same is true for most tier 9-10 TDs (with a few exceptions like the ones with almost 0 camo value) as at tier
9-10 you usually encounter tanks (and TDs) which can pen you quite easily no matter how thick your armor
is and how good you are at angling.
Askorti
on December 18, 2013 at 11:23 am said:
Moving T-54 has better camo than standing AFk Panther and barely worse than VK2801 Because f*ck light
tanks, German ones in particular
Medjed
on December 18, 2013 at 1:05 pm said:
MordorFool
on December 18, 2013 at 11:30 am said:
To make it simple:
Lets take my borsig tier 8, standing still (not behind a bush) in plain sight.
. crew 100% camo skill + BIA + situational aware + recon + camo paint + camo net + binoc (my usual settings
BTW)
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As I always, with most of my TDs give support to some of my heavies/mediums it means I (using the view
range mod) try to not let enemies enter my view range circle while keeping the enemies within the maximum
view range where I can shoot them.
-> result is usually me ending top dmg dealer while remaining invisible to the enemy tanks.
ExoNut
on December 18, 2013 at 11:39 am said:
MordorFool
on December 18, 2013 at 11:51 am said:
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/95330-089-locastans-enh-hd-minimap-gen-2/
ExoNut
on December 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm said:
Thank you :)
John Stronk
on December 18, 2013 at 12:14 pm said:
Yeah that is exactly what world of tanks needs right now static/camping/boring gameplay explained to
the pubbies.
MordorFool
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Great so please do tell me how to use paper TDs or tanks with no armor?
The post was about camo tables and I was just explaining how camo can work in your favor.
Or maybe you did not read my post which is about specific vehicles.
I do hope that you were not the RHM borsig I saw the other day who thought he was a stronk tank
in a tier X match and died doing nothing.
John Stronk
on December 18, 2013 at 12:31 pm said:
MarsAttacks
on December 18, 2013 at 1:06 pm said:
Thats just what WoT needs.players without skills playing tanks that need skills.
Next time you want to diss TD players, you might want to remember that.
John Stronk
on December 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm said:
Why play them in the first place? TDs are boring to play and especially boring to play
against even Wargaming said this a couple of days ago you might want to
remember that.
MarsAttacks
on December 18, 2013 at 1:16 pm said:
Why play heavy tanks in the first place? They are slow, bad camo, and mostly are
used to drive up at point blank range to shoot other tanks. Not very realistic and
pretty boring. Especially all that side scraping which isnt even taught in any tank
school in any army. Yeah, really cool.
MordorFool
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Tanks that require skills..all the tanks except a few ones (Foch155 hello)
and even those do require some basic skills otherwise they are just XP
pinata.
In case nobody took notice -> playing a SCA35 or borsig tier 8 do require
skills -> especially if you aim to be the top dmg dealer in the team.
This said I enjoy bouncing TDs shells when I am driving my Maus too.
and FYI: Playing the borsig in a tier x game and ending up top dmg dealer
does require some skills.
Gattotopo
on December 18, 2013 at 1:40 pm said:
camping is part of the game, so learn to live with it and dont cry.
and remember, skill is required for camping too: good campers will kill you without being spotted.
P.S. if something is boring for you, maybe its NOT boring for everyone
MordorFool
on December 18, 2013 at 11:34 am said:
@UGDK
You are right but the camo net can also count when you are firing -> if you didnt move your hull.
Which means that, in a tank/TD with a turret -> you can retain the bonus provided by the camo net even if
firing as long as you do not move your hull.
This is why the Borsig at tier 8 or the T28 proto can be so deadly -> because you just rotate your turret and
that means your camo net and binoculars are still active.
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And this is why I love the T110E4 at tier X so much because it can keep its camo net bonus thanks to its
turret
Max
on December 18, 2013 at 12:28 pm said:
Didnt serb say someday that leo has the best camo factor of all t10 meds? ._.
Fuck all these t62A clones with their overpowered stats
ggram
on December 18, 2013 at 12:34 pm said:
Baske_74
on December 18, 2013 at 12:42 pm said:
nice information,
little schocked about german camo values, i know that they are the largest by far. but 3-4 times less on JPZ
E-100 and 30 times less on WT E-100. good thing i wasnt going to train the crew with camo skill, its useless.
camo net can still work in combination with the turret as pointed out earlier.
also fun to read that the dedicated scout Aufkl. Panther has less camo standing still then LEO PTA and LEO
1 ;), which was kinda what i suspected as it 40t so not really a light
Baldrickk
on December 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm said:
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Uh huh.
Either WG is lying, game is unintentionally broken or there are some incorrect measurements here.
Merdis
on December 18, 2013 at 1:35 pm said:
Light tanks designated as scouts retain camouflage value on the move. It was always like that tier 1
vehicles never had same value on the move and standing still.
OttoVon Bismarck
on December 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm said:
Damn the OP russians TD ISU, 704 and 268, they even have great camobetter than german scouts
Medjed
on December 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm said:
xCaptainObviousx
on December 18, 2013 at 1:54 pm said:
Did you notice that the T95 have better camo than the Obj 704 when standing still?
Medjed
on December 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm said:
No wonder why they dont want to publish camo stats to public.if they do that then they couldnt lie about
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itfor example how they said that Leo1 has the best camo of all T10 mediums, but we can easily see that all
3 t10 uber soviet clone tanks have better camo than Leo :puts on my tinfoil hat:
ExoNut
on December 18, 2013 at 1:39 pm said:
I think they need to speed up the camo rework. Current numbers are arbitrary.
richmi
on December 18, 2013 at 1:34 pm said:
Looks like putting any kind of camo related stuff/skill on WTF E100 is a complete waste
ExoNut
on December 18, 2013 at 1:39 pm said:
Well no shit scherlock, that thing is huge and has cosmic firepower! It would be absurd and game-unwise
to give it any actual camo factor
Apoc
on December 18, 2013 at 2:36 pm said:
You do realise that the camo mechanics changed a patch or two ago dont you? Camo net and skill
add fixed bonuses rather than a %age of the base as they used to. The WTE-100 hugely benefits
from this.
Zlig
on December 18, 2013 at 1:39 pm said:
ExoNut
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Trent
on December 18, 2013 at 1:58 pm said:
To begin with, in 0.8.6 the camo system changed somewhat and old camo values could no longer be applied
(the factor got hidden even for the tanks we already knew the camo factor of). That meant that datamining
was no longer viable in order to find what type of camouflage that respective tank has. That left testing as the
only real option.
Testing was always the only option for the release version.
Back in beta, someone (ZiggyDeath , if Im not mistaken) datamined the camo values and made them public,
which resulted in WG permanently removing them from the client.
arbenowskee
on December 18, 2013 at 2:04 pm said:
hornet331
on December 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm said:
no it never had same camovalue for quite some time which was worse then bat:
http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camouflage?country=all&vehicletype=mt&tier=10&showLines=30
xCaptainObviousx
on December 18, 2013 at 2:06 pm said:
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Btw, its worth noting that the camo skill increases your camo by 0.8% per 1% skill trained, so 100% camo
increases your camo by 80% (x1.8). Many think that full camo skill doubles your base camo but thats not the
case.
Frank, do you think you could find the russian table where they tested the effect of camo skill, net and paint
on all tanks? It seem to have dissapeared.
Philippos Karapiperis
on December 18, 2013 at 2:19 pm said:
LOOOOOOOL
Takeda
on December 18, 2013 at 2:22 pm said:
Takeda
on December 18, 2013 at 2:30 pm said:
nevermind
Takeda
on December 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm said:
hornet331
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its a TD, they all come with camo bonus (if its not german)
what I am really surprised that the O 430 has such a good value. I thought the V2 would have a higher
value because of rare turret, but the normal 430 has an even better value.
Takeda
on December 18, 2013 at 2:59 pm said:
that camo + the view range + a turret + fast-aiming-good-depression-punchy gun + speed is a recipe
for OPness. does the armor really matter if the enemy cant even see you?
Turreted TDs shouldnt have the same camo values as the non-turreted in the first place
imo the hellcat should have either its camo or view range nerfed, aimtime should be 2.3 and
accuracy while moving nerfed a bit!
originoo tanker
on December 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm said:
SS, might it be possible to get this data as some kind of excel file or something similar?
Thanks in advance!
Xelos
on December 18, 2013 at 2:55 pm said:
Spreadsheet version?
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originoo tanker
on December 18, 2013 at 3:05 pm said:
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