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A Stanford without affirmative action will be a Stanford in which the question of who belongs here will no longer need to
be answered. It will no longer need to be answered because it will no longer need to be asked, not even sotto voce .
David Sacks, '94, is a law student at the University of Chicago. Peter Thiel, '89, JD '92, runs an investment firm. They
are co-authors of The Diversity Myth: "Multi-culturalism" and the Politics of Intolerance at Stanford.
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This article is right, it is rational. However, I just can't see anyone listening to it, or agreeing with it. In fact, I was
taught in my college class that this type of thinking, is "covert racism". It's not about being realistic, or rational, or fair
and unbiased. The world wants you to "sound politically correct", and have utopian intentions. I wish people weren't so
emotionally biased.
Posted by Mr. Matt Dude on Jan 31, 2013 3:54 PM
."affirmative action has not succeeded in ending discrimination" - That was not the intention of affirmative action.-
the intention was to take a positive (affirmative) action in creating opportunity for different people to mix together
and in the case of Stanford learn together. It's great being young, rich and still naive to the cultural history of the
United States. Maybe some research in the underlying rationale for "Affirmative action" during the Richard Nixon years
might be helpful. Your article reads like a rant at a country club wine party.
Posted by Albert Joseph Jaramillo, Ph.D. on Mar 8, 2013 6:24 AM
Thank you Albert for your refreshing contribution. It is hard for me to understand how a man so revered by many of
my peers at Stanford (Mr. Thiel) could be so short sighted and have such a shallow understanding of society and its
current social realities. The first important point, as you've addressed, Albert, is that affirmative action does not, in
fact, aim to end discrimination. (Or at least this is not its only intention.)
Secondly, it is surely also worth mentioning that Mr. Thiel's and Mr. Sacks assertion that race is the only factor
considered in affirmative action admissions at Stanford is profoundly unfounded. A look at Stanford's undergraduate
admissions website's frequently asked questions section reveals that: "we pay close attention to the unique
educational contexts and life experiences of students from low-income families and nontraditional backgrounds."
Race, as a matter of fact, is not even mentioned in the administration's answer to the question: "Does Stanford
practice Affirmative Action?*" ** ...
Posted by Mr. Anonymous Merci on Mar 22, 2013 6:46 AM
This is perhaps, however, a moot point, given that Mr. Thiel and Mr. Sacks do not believe that any characteristics,
apart from economic income, should be considered in admissions processes***. It is worth noting that is therefore
equally moot, however, that the authors should choose to add the qualifying characteristics of gender and ethnicity to
the disadvantaged student, in their emotionally laden example of the "daughter of the Vietnamese boat refugee." Yet
the authors do choose this example over that of, say, a rich, white son of a banker. Clearly, decisions are being made
here to mask alternative motivations for the authors' beliefs.
If the authors *are* to engage in a meritocratic discussion about who "deserves more" to be at Stanford, perhaps it
would be useful to consider how an individual's background, or the social resources they had available to them growing
up, might color the notion of how much they have "earned" their place in society or the "achievements" they boast
coming to their application to Stanford university.***** ...
Posted by Mr. Anonymous Merci on Mar 22, 2013 6:51 AM
I am saddened that such bigotry could be published on a Stanford affiliated site. But then again, perhaps it speaks to
the strangely conservative mix of philosophies that curdle beneath the surface of otherwise fairly progressive policies
at Stanford as a whole.
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*It is only referenced indirectly through a link to a page discussing Stanford's non-discrimination policy, which is a non-
discrimination policy (not an affirmative action policy) and speaks of discriminaon based on "ethnic origin, sex, age,
disability, religion, sexual orientation, and gender identity," not just race.
** A look at any of the legislation addressing affirmative action will also reveal that racial groups are not the only
social groups to which the legislation applies. Not, admittedly, that any of that legislation applies in this
circumstance, as no private institution in this country is mandated to have an affirmative action program, but -- as
Albert pointed out -- looking at the legislation can often be useful in considering the historical motivation behind
affirmative action policies. ...
Posted by Mr. Anonymous Merci on Mar 22, 2013 6:58 AM
*** Although they admittedly do not directly state that they believe this "characteristic" should be either. (Strange,
no?, as they seem to use it implicate its importance in their arguments against affirmative action policies.)
****Which is flawed in the first place.
*****(At times the authors seem lucidly aware of this point of view [in their implicit discussion of the importance of
economic background in an applicant's history] and yet at other points utterly blind [like the point at which they
apparently indicate that economic background shouldn't be considered anyways as a "characteristic" for admission.])
Posted by Mr. Anonymous Merci on Mar 22, 2013 6:57 AM
A lack of clear definitions dogs the article. Define "racism," "disadvantaged," and "diversity," for starters. I offer my
own observations from decades in the workplace: Some barriers yield only when they are kicked down and people
formerly shut out can get in to prove themselves. Affirmative action can kick barriers down. We can't legislate
changes of heart and mind, but we can legislate for access and opportunity.
Posted by Ms. Kathleen Mary Morey on May 2, 2013 8:39 PM
I am dissapointed that many of you have such a shortsighted opinion of the detrimental effects of affirmative action
on our society. Kudos to the authors of this article as they present an informed and logical argument.
Posted by Mr. Tyler Durant on May 16, 2014 9:09 AM
The racial ignorance in this article is depressing. Paragraph seven is the most ignorant paragraph. It reads: What's
gone wrong? The basic problem is that a racist past cannot be undone through more racism. Race-conscious programs
betray Martin Luther King's dream of a color-blind community, and the heightened racial sensitivity they cause is a
source of acrimony and tension instead of healing.
The first sentence it self is appalling. The more "racism" that the author is referring to is racism against racial
majorities, white people. You can't be racist against white people. Racism is a system, hence the ism. If you benefit
from that system based on your race, you cannot be subject to racism. You can be racially prejudice against white
people but not racist. The following sentence is just as ignorant.
The second sentence of the 7th paragraph talks about how Dr. King wanted color-blind society. He wanted no such
thing. Color blindness (when referring to race) is a myth, an ignorant myth. Since the day we are born, race is a
constant factor. It is impossible to ignore and must be recognized. Instead of lying and saying we are color-blind we
must celebrate our racial differences. The ultimate goal is color-kind society, one where we celebrate racial diversity
and understand the history of race in America and the world. Color-blindness is an ignorant escape to a complex
issue.
At one point in the article the author says that "Racism is not everywhere"; In fact, racism is everywhere. As I said
earlier it is a system. The system of racism stretches all walls; there is no boundary it is yet to overcome. This country
was built on racism and continues to thrive on racism. This article is simply perpetuating racism.
Posted by Mr. Liam Brodigan on Nov 12, 2014 6:45 AM
I see where the authors of this article are coming from, but they probably don't know that affirmative action also
benefits women. Not just minority women, but also white women. When looking at the statistics White women
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actually have benefited the most. There is even an article in Time that mentions it:
http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/
Posted by Ms. Angel Farrah Fannin on Dec 6, 2014 1:17 AM
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