Magyar rzs, mszaki Angolt tant kzp s fiskols tanrokat keresek. Itt egy j tma, az elejt mr lefordtottam.

Ki segt nekem ebben tovbblpni? http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7040-how-turn-plastic-waste-into-dieselfuel-cheaply.html A frumos bejegyzs ideje: 12-27-2010, 08:20 PM HOGYAN ALAKTSUK T A HULLADK MANYAGOT OLCSN DIESEL OLAJJ? "A folyamat nagyon egyszer, kb. olyan mint a plinkafzs. Ha a manyag hulladkot oxignmentes krnyezetben hevted, akkor az megolvad, de nem fog elgni. Miutn megolvadt, elkezd forrni s gzlgni, ezeket a gzket neked csak el kell vezetni egy htcsvn keresztl. Amikor lehlt a gz, akkor ennek nagy rsze lecsapdik mint folyadk, egy rsze viszont (Hydrocarbon lenghts?) vizes-szenes gz maradk lesz. A htcs vge aztn egy bebuborkolba fog menni, amiben vz van s ez az olajszrmazk legutols folyadk formjt fogja kicsapatni s csak gz marad, amit aztn el kell getni. (Ezt lehetne akr egy kis teljestmny lland hforrsknt is alternatvan hasznlni, a kzelben melegteni rajta valamit stb. a fordt megjegyzse) Ha a htcs hatkonyan ht, akkor a buborkolban nincs zemanyag, s akkor a vz megfogja, kicsapja az sszes maradk zemanyagot, ami a vz felsznn fog szni, s a vz felsznrl leszrhet. A htcs aljn egy acl gyjttartly van, ami az sszes folyadkot sszegyjti. Egy leenged csap van a gyjttartly aljn, gy a folykony zemanyag mr leengedhet. Itt van pr kp, hogy jobban rthet legyen a kivitelezs.

Ez a berendezs rammal mkdik (3 fzis), 6 nikkel-krm tekerccsel, ezek a ftelemek, s sszesen 6 KW-ot fogyaszt (1 KW-ot minden tekercs). A tekercsek 3 db szilrd flvezets relvel vannak ki-be kapcsolva, egy-egy fzisonknt, a relk egy digitlis termosztttal vannak vezrelve, amit egy hmrs rzkel csak egy kicsit nylik a tet al szablyoz, ami gy a gz hmrsklett ellenrzi. A manyagot lassan kell felmelegteni kb. 350 fokra s vrni egy picit a "csodra". A kpen lthat berendezs 50 literes kapacits s kb. 30 kg aprra vgott manyagot tud feldolgozni. A folyamat kb. 4 rs, de nagymrtkben lervidthet, ha a konstrukcit egy kicsit gyesebben tszerkeszted. Amint mondtam, ez folykony zemanyagot kszt, amit tbbszrs, multizemanyagknt hasznlhatsz. Ez azt jelenti, hogy dzel hajtmvekben s benzines gpekben is hasznlhatod, br ezt neknk mg tesztelni kell, hogy hogyan is mkdik benzinesben. Dzel gpekben teljesen megfelel, amint azt mr tesztjeink bizonytjk. A klnbsg abban van, hogy milyen manyagot hasznlsz fel. Ha polietilnt (manyag dobozok, manyag flik s az sszes rugalmas, nem trhet manyag), akkor olyan folykony zemanyagot kapsz, ami petrleumknt srsdik ki a lehlse sorn, s ez j a dzel motorokba amg melegtett olajtartlyt hasznlsz, ugyanis ennek kell kb. 30 celsius fokos hmrsklet, hogy folykony s ttetsz legyen. Ha nem gy

szeretnd hasznlni, akkor a petrleumot mg egyszer t kell engedned a berendezsen s akkor azokat a vz-szn(lncokat) (hydrokarbonokat) mg aprbbakra bontod s a petrleum felt folykony zemanyagknt kapod meg, a msik fele meg olyan petrleum lesz, ami srbb, s ez a srbb anyag csak magasabb hmrskleten fog folykonny vlni. Ebbl az anyagbl gyertykat kszthetsz, amik egyltaln nem lesznek bdsek mikzben geted ket, maximum annyira mint a hagyomnyos gyertyk. De ha polipropilnt hasznlsz (szmtgp monitorok doboza, printerek doboza s ms knnyen trhet manyagok esetben), akkor csak folykony zemanyagot kapsz, amiben egyltaln nincs petrleum. Mindssze csak az szksgeltetik, hogy kiszrd az zemanyagot a szilrd anyagoktl s mris ksz vagy, tltheted a tartlyodba. Megcsinltuk az ellenrz vizsglatokat s ez szinte a legfinomabb dzel frakci. Nincsenek savak s lgok benne, ellenben pldul az autgumikbl nyert zemanyagokkal, amikben vannak. A kpen lthat berendezs kb. 60 kg manyagot tud 60 liter zemanyagg talaktani egy nap alatt. Ms ftsi eljrsokat is alkalmazhatsz, csak elektromosan egyszerbb mkdtetni s vezrelni a berendezst. Nhny Japn vllalat gyrt ilyen berendezseket, de a most bemutatott berendezshez hasonl mret ra 100.000 dollr fltt van. A mi hzilag elksztett berendezsnk ra pedig 900 dollr maximum. Alumnium-oxid tglkat hasznltunk (rdemes ennek utna nzni az Interneten, hogy van-e ms cg is itthon aki ezzel foglalkozik: http://www.dualinvest.hu/egyeb/tegla.htm fordt megjegyzse), hogy szigeteljk a ht. Ezek knnyek mint a hab, s knnyen vghatjuk brmilyen alakra, de brmilyen ms szigetelt is alkalmazhatunk. Az alumnium-oxid tglk jelentik a legmagasabb rat ennl a berendezsnl. (Gondolom a j hszigetelse miatt (+ knny vghatsg) vlasztottk az alumnium oxidos tglkat a ksrletezk. Hisz a berendezs zemeltetse sorn ez a legfontosabb tnyez, a tkletes szigetels. fordt megjegyzse) Kszthetnk folykony zemanyaggal mkd ftberendezst, ekkor ugye egy nellt berendezst kapunk, ami kb. 10-15%-t hasznlja az talaktott zemanyagnak ftsre, egytt az talaktott gzzal. Egy kis hztji gazdasgnak pont megfelel ez a berendezs, hogy sajt maga szmra a manyag hulladkokat zemanyagg alaktsa. A gazdasgokban rengeteg manyag hulladk keletkezik, ami igen problma; legalbbis ez a helyzet az n orszgomban. A kvetkez tervnk az, hogy valami hasonl berendezst csinlunk, amivel a nagy mennyisg biomasszt tudjuk hasznostani, szraz leveleket, vizes fvet, frszport s mindenfle biomasszt elgzostunk, ami olyan lesz mint a ktrny, s amit a pirolzis folyamatt hasznl berendezsnkn keresztl talakthatunk biodzel olajj. Majd megltjuk. Itt van nhny zemanyag minta:

Ezek a mintk polietilnbl (manyag dobozok, manyag flik s az sszes rugalmas, nem trhet manyag) kszltek. Az els krben nagyrszt petrleum jtt ki mint folyadk, ami 20 Celsius fok alatt megszilrdul. A msik minta ugyanabbl a petrleumbl kszlt, de ez mg egyszer tment a folyamaton. Ksbb majd tbb kpet s videt fogok kldeni. Kszi a figyelmet! (Jetijs) A frumos bejegyzs ideje: 12-27-2010, 08:22 PM (Jetijs) We made calculations, it turns out that our device, as crude as it is with much room for improvement, can produce diesel fuel at a cost of 17 US cents a liter, that is when only plastic and electricity is considered. The next machine will probably use a liquid fuel burner to heat the reactor, this could lower the costs even more as it would then run on a small percentage of the produced fuel and also the produced gas would then be used more practically - burned along with the fuel to heat the reactor. Even now, if we would get the electricity from a diesel generator that runs on the produced fuel, it would consume about 20% of the produced fuel, but those generators are never efficient and much of the potential power is lost, so heating the reactor using a burner should be even more efficient. Japan produces such units that run themselves using the produced fuel, their machines use 7-10% of the yield. But they cost more than 100 000$ for a unit the size we have. We also calculated all the materials and work involved to make this device and it comes around 1200$, but it is scalable from table top units up to industrial size units that produce several tons of fuel daily.

Here is a video I made and uploaded on a fake youtube account: YouTube - Easy way to make your own diesel from plastic waste http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbNou1lXBck 12-27-2010, 08:44 PM (Bugler) Jetijs I have no words to describe how impressed I am with your skills. Everything you do is amazing. I wonder how I could learn a small fraction of what you know. Keep it up. 12-27-2010, 08:55 PM Thanks bugler I forgot to mention that this is not entirely my project because I don't have much time for it, the work was mostly done by my friend at my shop, I just helped him. This is a very big step forward from my tire pyrolysis project few years back and it would not get this far without my friend All the info will be shared, nothing will be kept to us. It is time to make a change. This thing is what almost everyone can make in their garage in the scale he can afford. Sure it is not free energy, but it is a damn cheap one that you can make yourself and the best part is that you get rid of the plastic waste in the process making it environmentally friendly. Some others that are working on this tech keep every detail in secret, and Japanese units are so damn cheap that most of people decide that this is too expensive and complex to build by yourself. But it is not! 12-27-2010, 09:08 PM (Bugler) Jetijs I was thinking that this could be an amazing final project for mechanical engineering. You says that all the info will be shared. When will you share it? I would ask to share the information in a very low level way. I mean that when highly experienced people share knowledge they don't realize how much they know so those with much lower level of knowledge don't undertand the information. As I say, please explain it for dummies like me. Thanks. 12-27-2010, 09:14 15PM (Jetijs)

The info is already shared, if you don't understand something or have any questions I will answer them, just ask I am aware that if you see this tech for the first time it might be confusing, but that is why I am here, to answer questions I attached the basic sketch of the system. Kpet iderakni! It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing. 12-27-2010, 10:01 PM (Cherryman) Hi Jetijs, great work! I Got a few questions, all related I guess. What would be the minimum temp? How fast does the process go? Could this run on a solar parabolic disc? ( Collect some plastic and on a sunny day process a few liters? ) C'man 12-27-2010, 10:13 PM (sseti) hi Jetijs I wondered what happened to your tire pyrolysis, because I once read somewhere that you were doing some testing. as it looked, you had quite a high efficiency gas, which were on fire and my question is whether this has been enough to keep the boiler heating circuit to such an extent that would be self-sufficient pyrolisis good work, tadej 12-27-2010, 10:13 PM (Jetijs) Hi C'man The minimum temperature would be around 300 degree celsius, but it works much faster and better at around 400 degrees. Our current device produces around 5 liters per hour and the process takes around 4 hours, so 20 liters total. The tighter you pack the plastic, the more efficient. The time is the same no matter if your container is full or half full, so the more you

can put in, the better. I use shredded plastic and so I can put around 25 kg of shredded plastic in a 50 liter tank. I am not sure about solar, probably not a good idea as the heat source is no reliable, as you get the heat up, you don't want it to drop considerably until the process is finished, because that would solidify all the melted plastic into a big blob and this would the take forever to remelt. Solar would probably work on very small quantities. Also the type of plastic is important, you can use only plastics that have pure hydrocarbons in them and nothing else, such as polyethylene and polypropylene. PVC should not be used as it contains large amounts of chlorine that is very toxic and would corrode the metals in your reactor. Also PET bottles are no good as they contain additional oxygen and we need the process to be in non oxygen environment. So only use plastics that contain only carbon and hydrogen. __________________ It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing. 12-27-2010, 10:18 PM (bugler) Where is the info shared? Is there a website or file? How do you make the coils and power them? What is the tap above the machine? Would it be possible to see a more detailed diagram with all parts? Thanks. 12-27-2010, 10:20 PM (Jetijs for sseti) Hi Tadej In theory the gas from tire pyrolysis can sustain the process, but I have not tried that. Tire pyrolysis was abandoned because the fuel had a horrible smell, fuel from plastics compared to that smell like roses Also that tire fuel had lots of sulfur in it and needed additional processing that is not so practical anymore. Another problem was tire shredding, a very powerful shredded needs to used to shredd the tires good enough and those cost a fortune. We got 30 liters of tire fuel from 100kg of raw tires. With plastic we get up to 95 liters from 100kg of plastic and there is nothing else than hydrocarbons in it.

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" Ha lesz idm, akkor folytatsa kvetkezik, de krlek, komolyan segtsetek nekem egy mszaki Angol tanrt keresni, akivel hatkonyan megoszthatom a munkt. Mit egy, tucatnyi mszaki tanrt keresni... s a haza fnyre derl. :-)