the Conversation

the Conversation

Published by Grace Campion Gardener

Copyright 2013 by Grace C. Gardener

Author - Grace Gardener

Formerly - Lynn Pezzutti Mickelsen

Grace_Force Printed Edition

Smashwords eBook Edition

the Conversation

…ancient truths revealed

An exposé on the Satanists who kept

Lynn Mickelsen and her daughters as

slaves and prisoners.

Retired VP Richard Cheney and NSA Major General John Alexander felt that Chapter 3 - How They Operate - is the most important chapter in the book. Chapters 5 & 8 will also be very helpful.

The Conversation is a companion book to the Truth

Other books by Grace Gardener :

the Truth;

Garden of the Light;

and the Young Adult novel

Confusion turned to Chaos

Dedications

Dedicated to my daughters whose strength and intimate knowledge of good and evil will be a strong moral compass to guide us on an honorable path

through the third millennium.

Dedicated to all the young African-American men who lost their lives at the hands of the people sworn to protect them.

Dedicated to all those who tortured and tried to kill me all these years. I hope you find some comfort in this - I wrote this for you.

Dedicated to all prisoners without walls.

Note: The phrases in italics are the thoughts I have had since the conversation. Everything else is what had been thought and said during the conversation.

Foreword

At the suggestion of Retired NSA AF Major General John Alexander (not his real name) and Retired VP Dick Cheney (his real name) I have rewritten my eBook Babble On as non-fiction because, as they pointed out, that’s what it is. I’ve talked with Dick Cheney once and John Alexander three or four times after they read Babble On. They confirmed all the assertions I made in Babble On are ALL correct. They were amazed I got everything right and told me the book was great - the best thing they’d ever read. They both regretted not knowing all this in high-school, saying their lives may have been very different. They both thought the Conversation should be required reading for the Military and Law Enforcement. At their suggestion I rewrote Babble On as two non-fiction books the Conversation and the Truth. The Truth contains some cult legends about me from my point of view.

Remember -

Someone said - Whether you say, I can, or, I can’t, you’ll always be right.

My Words of Truth -

*- No change can occur if we always do things

the way we’ve always done them!

*- Question Everything! Rethink everything!

*- We’re born with Original Love -

NOT Original Sin! We’re born with free will.

*- No one gets out of this life alive.

*- We always have a choice.

Heaven or Hell is a choice.

Even life or death is a choice.

*-We don’t have to do anything.

*- Forgive your parents, but abhor the abuse.

*- Each day is a new beginning.

*- Never pass up an opportunity to help someone because altruism is the key to happiness.

*- We can’t fight evil if we see no evil!

*- Knowledge of good and evil is crucial because

without it - evil is poised to win.

*- Think Peace! Make it a reality.

*- Why are we here? FUN! Our reason for living this life is to choose Heaven or Hell - beyond that, we should have fun, as long as it doesn’t interfere with another person’s ability to have fun.

Preface

Apocalypse is a Greek word meaning revealing the Ancient Truths.

This book, the Conversation, is the Apocalypse.

Skepticism is how Satanic Churches, or cults, hide. No one wants to think Satanic Cults exist and if you try to point it out to people, they’ll just say you’re crazy and that way Satanists get away with murder! And you bet ya – it sounds real crazy! Cults rely on your disbelief. Rita made it a point to tell me the same thing will happen to me when I tell people what happened to me.

Satanic Churches seek out people who live in misery. Social Media, Cable and Satellite TV, and spyware make it easy to identify them: and GPSs, Cell Phones, Facebook, Twitter and Linked In tell cults how to find these unhappy people and their friends any time of the day and night. Next cults use torture and mind control to get those people to join their church. Some Satanic religions are intergenerational, meaning some people are born into the cult. I believe 99% of people in Satanic Churches or cults are prisoners without walls. I wrote this book for them. I lived my life as a prisoner of a Satanic Church. I was their slave and prisoner since I was two. I now find myself mourning my own life.

John Alexander

There’s a man who belonged to many cults and he was a Major General in the Air Force and the NSA, formerly Military Intelligence. I don’t know his real name. John felt enough people in cults would know his name and he knew those were the people I was trying to reach by writing this book. John Alexander was a ruthless cult figure responsible for many of my torture sessions, and he said, at least a thousand murders. He was in charge of torture at Guantanamo Bay. He caused much of the permanent nerve damage to my body, although he said he was not responsible for any of my 106 broken bones, seven of which are in my neck and spine. Every bone in my spine has a fracture in it some caused by a cattle prod put in my anus and touched to my spinal cord and turned on. (One night, Sam Walton, the owner of Wal-Mart, used that torture on me for six straight hours.) John supplied Satanic Cults with night vision goggles, NSA torture drugs and taught torture techniques such as water-boarding and electrocution to the cult that owned me.

I don’t think Dick Cheney knew how much of the Military budget John was spending on me. John and Cheney felt that:

Chapter 3 - How They Operate - is the most important chapter in the book. Chapters 5 & 8 will also be very helpful.

John Alexander told me he spent his life afraid and unhappy. I teach in my eBook the Truth that our only two directives from God are to choose Heaven or Hell and to be happy as long as we don’t hurt anyone. Since he was lied to and abused by Satanists his whole life he felt duped. John said after he read this book he found himself mourning his own life. He hoped young people, considering joining one of these churches or clubs, would read this book and their eyes and hearts would be opened and they’d be spared the hellish life he felt he had to live. He wished he had books like the Truth and the Conversation to read when he was young. He found it almost unbelievable that someone who had been held a rape and torture prisoner and a slave would do something as selfless as this for the very people who tortured her; but he added, he knew me and that made it all very believable. He thanked me over and over for writing these books. It cleared up many things for him. My eBook, the Truth, made him understand God in a way he never thought possible - it made him like God. He became a fan of Christ. He wished he knew the truth about God when he was young. John added, God picked a good name for you.

John said he would like all military and law enforcement personnel to read the book John thanked me for forgiving him and hoped one day his protégé, AF General Robin Rand, would be able to forgive him. John died in December 2013. He’s now one of my Angels.

Whether you believe in Satan or not you need to be aware there are people who do and they will hurt you and your country. For instance, they can abduct those whose life they want to ruin and make them hate their job. They’ll then abduct that person’s boss and make them believe appalling things about that person to make their job really terrible, even unbearable. It’s a soul crushing experience to go everyday to a job you hate and work for a boss who hates you. Their goal, and the goal of all Satanic Churches, is to make life on earth as much like hell as possible. The logic eludes me.

This was done to me in most of my jobs. I apologize to those who worked with me and suffered under this edict.

Fear, Hate, Vengeance and Anger are the main ingredients of control. They are the cornerstones of Satanism. They are doorways through which evil enters a soul. This eBook is an exposé about the religion of Satanism. It also is a brief summary of my life because I was a slave and prisoner of a Satanic Cult all of my life. The book is important for everyone, whether you believe in God or the Devil or not, because it clears up all that has been happening in the world.

The following is a five hour conversation I had with Rita Denman, the self-proclaimed most evil witch princess of all time. She claims she’s the Whore of Babylon.

Each chapter has notes in italics which are my thoughts since the conversation. Each chapter has a summary that attempts to make sense of the conversation.

I’ve put several stories about me, some cult legends about me, and information about my relationship with God in the eBook, the Truth.

Rita Denman, the woman who owned me and who is the person with whom I had this five-hour conversation, said, "When you tell people, and you will tell people, because that’s the kind of person you are. You don’t care if we kill you. If you think something is right – you’ll do it. Your own life isn’t as important to you as doing something for someone. Even for people you don’t know. I’ll never understand you. But it doesn’t matter – no one will believe you. They’ll all say you’re crazy. And we’ll be right there, up front, pointing our fingers at you. We’ll get everyone to believe you’re just crazy because you say so many crazy things. Rita puffed like just thinking about all the trouble I’ve caused her made her tired, That’s why I had to go back through your life and make everyone hate you. Everyone you love, everyone who ever knew you hates you or is dead. All of north Jersey will say they hate you, and you’re just crazy, and the rest of the country will believe us."

It came to me to say something. My Angels were pretty clear, I wasn’t sure why I was to say, You won’t kill me, but I did. It just confused her.

My Sanity

All psychologists have to know about cults because cults wreak such grave emotional havoc. A few psychologists have told me that usually people who’ve suffered the kind of abuse I’ve suffered, are wearing straightjackets, and live in a padded room. I should be, or at least look like, a bag lady. I should rest assured I’m the sane one and the people who did this to me are the crazy ones. They explained, the fact is, if I were insane I certainly wouldn’t be able to go RVing, enjoy myself, map routes, hold intelligent conversations or look as kempt as I do. They thought my assertion that it was God who saved me must be true, because my mere existence is a miracle.

My Name

I was born Lynn Pezzutti, then I was married and became Lynn McDermott. Then I was mind controlled into divorcing my first husband and marrying the prince of a Satanic Church based in north-west New Jersey and I became Lynn Mickelsen. I now consider Lynn Mickelsen my slave name.

One day in 2007 God said, You will be called Grace.

I argued for a minute saying, Me? Naah, I’m not Grace.

God said, You will be known as Grace.

I replied, I don’t even like that name.

God repeated Himself as though He hadn’t said a word before, Everyone will know you’re Grace.

I had argued with God over many things many times before and I knew enough to stop. He had never persisted like this unless He had a really good reason, and I knew from, experience, He was always right. It was a simple enough request. So, God chose the name Grace for me and I chose the last name Gardener and God okayed it.

Introduction

I had been the unwitting slave-prisoner of a Satanic Church for most of my life. My ex-husband, Peter Mickelsen, was the prince and Rita Denman was the princess. I first learned about this aspect of my marriage and my life during a totally bizarre, repulsive, five-hour conversation with Rita – the self-proclaimed Whore of Babylon - one summer day in 2003 when I was fifty. I knew, as she spoke, I had fallen into an abyss of insanity I had no idea existed. I thought, if what she said were true, my life had never been my own. I had been a participant in my seemingly normal life without living it; because I had been routinely mind controlled by John Alexander, Rita and Peter. Everything that happened to me outside of being a working housewife and mother was erased from my memory using drugs, electricity, and torture.

I dismissed every assertion in the conversation as the ravings of a sociopath. I’ve since reconsidered.

She told me everyone I’ve ever met, known or loved had been murdered or brainwashed into hating me.

Rita told me of thousands of people their church sacrificed over the past fifty years. She told me deaths, which I had thought were of natural causes, were really murders.

She further accused me of being the one in their legends capable of taking them down and thus changing the course of the new millennium to be a green, peaceful earth free from war, famine, and disease.

If Satanists believe I can chart the outcome of Armageddon to a better, greener, more peaceful world –

who am I to argue?

Chapter 1 - The Conversation Begins

If you don’t want to read about me, skip to Chapter 3. Chapters 1 & 2 can be disturbing.

Throughout this book I refer to my Angels as my people, my spirits, and my peops (pronounced peeps.) The phrases in italics are the thoughts I have had since the conversation. Everything else is what had been thought and said during the conversation.

August 2003

The phone rang. I wiped my mouth and slid my plate back from the edge of the table so the dog wouldn’t get my last little bit of sandwich. I glanced at the clock - 12:30. I pushed away from the table and got up to answer.

Hello.

Are you alone? A raspy voice whispered on the other end.

Who is this?

Are you alone? The voice asked again. This time I could tell it was a woman but couldn't place the voice. I'm usually good with voices.

If you don't tell me who this is I'm hanging up.

Just tell me if you’re alone and I'll tell you who this is, she demanded.

Okay, I'm hanging up, I said with my hand on the button.

"Oh all right, I know you're alone. You're so stubborn; I can never get you to answer